Tartanians

[Zeldor]

Exactly. It is rather comparing tartarians to summons from other schools. For example nature summons, that are well... pathetic?

I just wish there were more 8 and 9 level national summons. I really don't understand why T'ien Ch'i does not have 4 Dragon Kings.

[Karlem]

So, if all the schools have something strong at level 9 then what is the problem? If you have death go for Conj, if you have nature Enchant, earth alteration....

You do not need to balance tartarians against all the other summons, but death/conj9 to the other magic/schools9.

[Kristoffer O]

> I really don't understand why T'ien Ch'i does not have 4 Dragon Kings.

I really don't understand why T'ien Ch'i does not have 8 dragon kings

I would guess that it depends on me making stuff. I tend to focus on one nation at a time. Since national summons was new in dom2 most nations didn't have many at that time. T'ien Ch'i got some, but not that many. Those that they have are still quite ugly, and I wouldn't have problems coming up with a dozen or two new national summons for them. It's basically a matter of what I prioritize and what inspires me atm.

Besides working with Gath I have flelt like making some new japanese critters, mostly because I feel I didn't make enough of them. THere are several that I feel are missing.

T'ien Ch'i is in the same boat, but I have not thought too much about them.

Machaka need more attention as well, both with their existing troops and should get some new summons and two new eras.

The vanir and the jotuns are still behind in the national summons race and should be looked over. I find it annoying that the old norse nations have recieved less attention than most other nations.

There should be more middle eastern summons. There are plenty to use.

There should be national blood summons based on nation. How thematic are devils in a far eastern setting?

There is clearly room for more Zoroastrian beings apart from the spentas and yazatas.


I would not mind having them all, but it will take a while, and all will not happen.

[B0rsuk]

Kristoffer: I think LA Atlantis deserves some better underwater recruitables. At the moment they have some coral light infantry and Consort. Don't forget they supposedly made a pact with a dark god to lead them back into the sea.. But current situation almost discourages players from pursuing underwater provinces. I think LA Atlantis should get something special from underwater castles. Or at least an amphibian summon that can only be cast underwater.

[Kristoffer O]

Lucky you

Seems I will be playing LA Atlantis in a team game about now. I'll keep my eyes open

[sansanjuan]

The vanir and the jotuns are still behind in the national summons race and should be looked over. I find it annoying that the old norse nations have recieved less attention than most other nations.

KO - and you're from Sweden for gosh sakes!

[Sawyer]

It sounds like something the modding community could comfortably address until KO and JK get on it.

Funny though, everyone just makes their own nations or pretenders.

[Endoperez]

There are some balance mods, and some "reimagined nation" mods, and an EA Machaka nation, and I did a small mod that added an Anansi giant spider pretender for Machaka... Other than that, it's probably because the nations all have their own themes and stories, and they are very strong. It's like, well, sacrilege... The Code of Illwinter is Law, and we are Not Worthy!

Oh, and the hero mods sometimes add or modify the national heroes, sometimes adding additional descriptions or links to other nations.

[lch]

There are variations of existing nations, like Ulm Reborn for example. The thing is that it's usually the new item graphics that pull people into trying out a mod nation. Just fiddling with some numbers doesn't win you friends among the players.

[MaxWilson]

Perhaps people are reluctant to mess with existing nations because they feel they are "supposed" to be the way they are? Static vs. dynamic. When KO says T'ien Chi needs dragon kings, does that increase the probability that a modder will add dragon kings to T'ien Chi instead of creating a new nation around dragons?

-Max