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March 17th, 2008, 04:52 PM
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Re: Urgent Thug advice needed
Gargoyles are actually quite a nice chassis except for the abysmal MR score...if you can keep them away from stuff that will exploit that they're actually SC-quality, and a lot of spells that are MR-resisted won't work on them due to them being mindless. Disintegrate, opposition, and shatter (not MR, but huge damage) are extremely problematic though, so use flight and avoid engaging mages that can toss those spells at you.
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March 17th, 2008, 05:09 PM
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Re: Urgent Thug advice needed
For thugs, generally I guess the idea is you don't want to have too much invested in them, because by definition (i.e. not being SCs), they are pretty killable.
So, like a Bane Lord or Firbolg Sleeper.. it's a cheap commander (10-12 gems). They both start off with magic weapons, so I suppose you could use them as is. But, generally you'll want some sort of weapon in there (maybe a fire brand, 6 gem cost total with hammer). You also don't want them to die too fast, so maybe throw on a protection item or two. Like an amulet of magic resistance, luck pendant, ring of lightning resist, or burning pearl (all 3 gem items with hammer).
The protection item you choose of course depends on what sorts of threats you will be facing (magic resistance if you are facing priests or astral mages, lightning resist against Caelum, etc.).
So, that is a 12 gem bane lord, 6 gem sword, and 3 gem protection item for a grand total of 21 gems.
If you want to get fancy, add another protection item and boots of quickness or flying (7 gems) for a grand total of 31 gems.
Oh, if you have researched a lot of construction, you might want to consider golems as well.
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March 17th, 2008, 06:51 PM
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Re: Urgent Thug advice needed
Regular Golems are probably not a good plan against R'lyeh because of Magic Duel.
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March 17th, 2008, 07:22 PM
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Re: Urgent Thug advice needed
You have quite a manner of drawing attention to yourself, Arco.
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March 18th, 2008, 09:38 AM
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Re: Urgent Thug advice needed
haha
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1. a thug should have luck
2. and at least def or prot above 20-25 
3. a shield is always nice against arrows, one that attacks/hinders enemies is better 
4. a lot of HP never hurts
5. AoE damage helps a lot 
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March 21st, 2008, 02:33 AM
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Re: Urgent Thug advice needed
What is more important, defense or protection? I tried testing out a very high protection build with a full suit of black plate, but he wound up getting fatigued and criticaled a lot, then I tried a less protection, less fatigue build which seemed to survive pretty well against armies of 50-100 melee units. Maybe it's possible to get high protection to work if you balance things out better though.
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March 21st, 2008, 02:49 AM
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Re: Urgent Thug advice needed
Protection is much more importance. If a SC has more than 0 encumberance, he should have alot of reinvigoration. Black Plate is pretty bad on anything with more than 0 base encumberance.. Try marble armour or, better yet, a robe of invunerability.
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