Gath, dev diary or something

[quantum_mechani]

Kristoffer O said:
Been trying out LA Gath a bit. Added a horn blower.

Currently unsure if the Gittites (smaller giants) should be home only. That would make them rare, since most would probably recruit the sacred Gibborim instead.
Since the giants are supposed to live only in Gath it annoys me a bit. If you don't go for a bless strategy it is possible that you recruit Gittites instead of Gibborim, but I find it a bit unlikely. If the Gittites are made everywhere they might dominate the human tribes and you won't se any of these instead.

Anyway, here is a screen.


Removed quoted image because it screws up page formatting ~Edi

Each human tribe has slightly different attributes and abilities.

I'm not sure if you are talking about troops or mages, but I'm quite sure the archers are going to get used regardless of what giants are available. They might replace the HI though (I doubt the LI would get a lot of use regardless). As for the human mages, even just very slightly different magic should give them a niche.

[Kristoffer O]

The troops, but I think the problem is less than I first thought. I think things are turning out as I like.

[Gregstrom]

I had a silly idea. If forts can act like sites, then the fort types for Gath in could allow Gittite recruitables in some terrain types and not others. Something like a 'Gittite Fortress' in mountain terrain that gives recruitable Gittites but costs more than a plains fort.

[chrispedersen]

Why not a shofar blower (or something similar) with a siege bonus?

[Kristoffer O]

They have a siege bonus in the early era, when they are giants and more magical. Since the rams-horn is small, I went for an anachronistic and culturally misplaced, but nice looking, brass horn instead.

[VedalkenBear]

Something else I was curious about, KO. While each nation's progression seems correct in time, there is absolutely no matching between nations and where they occurred in history. Gath is the time of the temple, so... before the Exile? If so, that's certainly in the pre-Christian era. This matches, if anything, to other nations' Early Era. The worst 'offender' in my opinion is Marignon vs. Ermor. MA Marignon is primed to take out LA Ermor, which they can't do short of modding.

What is your position on this?

[Kristoffer O]

Pretty much what Edi has said in some threads. WIth the change from dom2 themes into dom3 eras some inconsistencies have emerged.

I would like to make some changes, but it would probably affect both ongoing games as well as general setup, balance and the manual.

So currently nations are consistent only regarding to themselves. At times I dream of making more eras, but that would probably cause a lot more problems than it would solve.

LA ermor should be in the MA and both MA ULM and Marignon should be results of Ermors fall. Edis suggestion with the MA Ermor made LA might work with some changes. This is an idea I'm quite fond, but I'm not sure if a fix would be good. A problem might be the troops predating the ashen empire that is not in the EA Ermor (censors etc). If there was more eras I could have the current MA Ermor with its censors before ashen and keep ashen at the time of Marignon.

As you see I'm not entirely satisfied with the overall historical consistency

All three (Hinnom, Ashdod, Gath) are predating Christianity, and should be in Mythical and early eras if placed in real world history.

I'm starting to think that a reason for inconsistencies and stuff as well as SP gripes, is the lack of scenarios. If there was a premade map with a background story, a fully developed ermor and a couple of fringe states available for the new player, or another map where ermor just had fallen with Marignon and Ulm fighting to stall the dead, SP could be more fun and probably more challenging.

I wonder why there are so few scenarios out there. Probably because we didn't include any of our own in dom3.