Hall of Shame

[Amhazair]

Zeldor said:
But if it really some game-winning tactics on turn 24

Yeah, I was talking in general, I don't feel the need to be drawn into (possibly bitter) arguments of specific cases where I was not involved and know nothing about. And who knows, the turn 24 betrayal might be the beginning of a cunning plan of titanic proportions that will unfold before the unbelieving, but ultimately helpless eyes of all players involved.

Even if it isn't, as you said, this is a newbie game. Who knows what kind of gaming background players have. While I understand if you are somewhat suspicious of him in the future, (and I probably would be too) but I would definitely offer him a chance to convince me of his good intentions in possible future games. (But then again my own mother tells me I'm way too naïve for this cruel world )

[Omnirizon]

an interesting read on diplomacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brinksmanship

guess why America's old "allies" are not so friendly anymore, and why nobody really listens to America.

[Foodstamp]

Omnirizon said:
an interesting read on diplomacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brinksmanship

guess why America's old "allies" are not so friendly anymore, and why nobody really listens to America.

Because people have short memories. As an American, I don't care if you want to listen to us. What I do care about is the fact many of our ancestors died saving your (not necessarily you) countries from fascist dictators and such, yet since it did not happen during your generation, "who gives a crap".

Omnirizon, don't take this as me meaning you or your country in particular, it is used as a generic here. You could very well be a liberal American because they hate our country too. jk

[Twan]

Lol. It's like me with americans, what I do care is that their ancestors never entered a war to support their european allies without being personnally attacked first (I wonder if they know that 1914-18 war didn't started in 1917, nor 39-45 in 1941). But anyway some of them try to culpabilize any non-attacked european ally not helping in their own offensive wars.

(Anyway all this real world trolling is totally out of topic.)

[thejeff]

There's only so long we can rest on our laurels. That was 60 years ago. Should we get a free pass if we do stupid things now?

Besides, real friends will tell you when you're being stupid or wrong.

[kasnavada]

Yeah, real world troolling... it always amaze me that Europe should be somehow "thankful" to the USA for their efforts in the 20th century wars when the conveniently forget the help they recieved them a few century before. In my opinion, it's better to forget about old grudges and that kind of stuff, and just get along, but the higher-up seem to be of another mind (all the fuss about irak ring a bell ?).

Not that it has any point either way : in a few decades, the Usa will be in the exact same position as Europe is now. A decadent place full of pride but with little decisional power or influence. And another place will rise to take its place and commit the same mistakes over and over again : try to impose its way of life over the whole world.

About the game "hall of shame", I think it's rather pathetic to make one. It's just a conflict of opinion and common sense. An example : ganging up 3 to 1 isn't evil, in fact, it saves a lot of the country military, avoid unrest, reduces unrest and civilian casualties, and repercussions due to being at war. It also makes sense when you wish to win.

Another example : backstabbing. Making a hall of shame for that means that RP is dead. I don't really think I need to explain that.

It's "unfair" only if you believe that the game should be somehow "fair". But then, what you want to do isn't a war, it's a duel or a match. And, last time I've heard, Dominions is a war game, and in a war, the victor writes history. Anyway, in my opinion, the only things that would deserve being in a hall of shame would deserve being kicked from the game and forum altogether : failing to see the difference between game and reality (carrying grudges over games for example, or insults to the person and not to the avatar played), metagaming like hacking (today it's called social engineering though most of the time), and that's basically it.

[Tichy]

There should be a hall of shame, but only when it's hilarious.

The point should not be to make a blacklist of players, but an ongoing roast of deluded and spectacularly stupid decisions by would-be Gods. And yes, you can nominate yourself.

Real world wise: I operate under the assumption that nations are generally self-interested entities. Gratitude is rarely, if ever, a motivating factor in decision making, and often an apparently principled stand by a state against, for example, American involvement in the middle east has as much to do with outstanding debts and profitable status quos in the region as it does with moral opposition to US policy. That said, when a regime makes decisions that harm its own nation's interests, alienates longstanding allies, fosters strife and misery in the region it is supposedly aiding, and creates a scenario in which retired generals and peace activists agree in their opposition to those decisions, it rightfully loses credibility, whatever your interpretation is of why those decisions were made.

[Omnirizon]

the whole brinksmanship was an allusion to the underlying mechanics of the topic of this thread. As with all threads like this, it is a general strike out with roots in a specific event.

I actually think brinksmanship is the wrong term though, as that is a deliberate and calculated practice. I think the stink behind this thread is completely un-calculated, and due to simply irrational behavior mistaken for lucid activity. I could also be lucidly irrational behavior. I think they call that psychosis.

As for as the real world politics I employed for the allusion, I am, for the record, an american. born in raised in the south. pure dixie, yeehaw. I just happen to attend a university with lots of transnational students. I'm in a sociology program surrounding by transnational sociologists (who specialize in transnational dynamics!) thats a lot of trannys. If there is anything transnational students like to talk about, it is the reasons for the decline of american hegemony. So I get earfuls of it all the time.