Time for a poll. (The subject is abuse)

[Rathar]

It's how many people voted followed by the % that represents.

Err, what he said, nod.

[Agema]

I think there is a 'spirit' to a game.

Take diving in football. I think it was only recently made illegal, but for a long time before that it was considered bad to do. Many bug exploits described here generally fall into this sort of category. Not strictly illegal or impossible via the game mechanics, but 'unsportsmanlike': disrespectful not just to the game but to fellow players.

To change my analogy slightly, we've got a system whereby the referees of the game are the fellow players. A system could work thus: If there's potential bug-exploiting, the player on the receiving end should say in the file, the players can vote democratically, and decide what happens. Clear the accused; give them a yellow card; or red card the offender and set them to AI or get a sub. If the offence is deemed sufficiently unbalancing, a turn rollback could occur.

If you want to use one of these strategies even when it is not stated beforehand they are unfair, you take your continued presence in the game into your own hands.

[Wauthan]

Agema makes a good point. There might be need of a spirit of sportmanship, well more then usual atleast, when playing Dominions 3. The point of most games is to have fun more then once after all.

Just take situation when a newbie goes up against a veteran. There are so many subtle mechanics in this game that the veteran could steamroll the newbie, regardless of any previous strategy game experience. While it would hardly be considered abusive to exploit someones lack of experience I still reckon that many would "pull their punches", and help out by pointing out mistakes common amongst new players.

Mists of Deception + Battlefield Enchantments + Retreat is a different breed of beast but still... It's not exactly abusive, just mindnumbingly annoying, since it's a tactic available for both sides. For me it has been fairly easy to control. I just asked my fellow players not to use that particular strategy, and promised to do the same.

Granted, it's way easier to create "houserules" with ones friends then with complete strangers but the community for dominions is small enough for it to hurt if your playstyle gets you shunned.

[kasnavada]

It's not exactly abusive, just mindnumbingly annoying, since it's a tactic available for both sides.

That's an opinion. For me, anything that has for only "counter" to use more of the same strategy (basically this combo falls into this) is to be removed. The very fact that everyone can use it is irrelevant. I'm not striking for balance but for fun. Having 10 strategy is good, but one is just better than others (for whatever reasons) it's to be balanced, and even more so if anyone can use it, especially on a game like dominions that prides itself on having diversity for magic spells and units.

[Wauthan]

I'm not striking for balance but for fun.

Well you make a valid point, of course, and I agree that it's really wierd that combat doesn't end when one side retreats (or perhaps one turn afterwards). After all why would my army hang around a deserted battlefield chokefull of lethal magics? Have the devs responded on this topic yet? I've been on extended hiatus and am still cathing up on the last few years of posts.

[kasnavada]

why would my army hang around a deserted battlefield chokefull of lethal magics?

Hum, well, I always wondered the opposite on other games. Some units that would have died the next "battle turn" just live if you manage to kill the last ennemy (the most infamous case is about poison).

Somehow medics with perfect skill and infinite speed manage to save them all in time. I wonder why they don't use those medics with infinite speed and skill in battle, so the battle would be over before it started !

So, the battle not finishing until all magic stopped and units died make sense to me. But why they are still standing in poisonous clouds ? That also makes me wonder, they could at least move out of the way...

About dev answers : as far as I know : "you players should decide for each game whether it's right or not to use such a combo".

[Endoperez]

kasnavada said:
Hum, well, I always wondered the opposite on other games. Some units that would have died the next "battle turn" just live if you manage to kill the last ennemy (the most infamous case is about poison).

Didn't notice the boldened part, so Dominions mechanics obviously don't apply.