Awe Vs Trample

Renojustin · #1 April 24th, 2008, 01:50 AM

What wins?

Awe is based on morale... So Mammoths would be better than Elephants and berserking units would be better than anything.

What other mechanics can come into play here?

Shigure · #2 April 24th, 2008, 02:15 AM

Ah, you saw my post.

My understanding, which might be incorrect, is that trampling is not an attack, and thus draws no awe check at all.

Renojustin · #3 April 24th, 2008, 02:19 AM

Well at least you have some astral magic. Hope you researched some counters!

Tuidjy · #4 April 24th, 2008, 02:21 AM

Defense helps, and so does body ethereal. Size difference matters a lot.
It lets the trampler attack a lot more units, and it increases damage.
Luck, mistform, and twist fate work (they usually do)

Repel does not seem to work. Armour matters only when the sizes are very close,
because trample damage gets very high. The defender's AP do not matter.

If you are trying to trample a Virtue, it will be hard. She is likely to gather
afflictions but I've had great results with a Virtue with rings of ice and regen.

Renojustin · #5 April 24th, 2008, 02:31 AM

And here my girlfriend has always told me that size doesn't matter.

vfb · #6 April 24th, 2008, 02:34 AM

Trample damage is 8 + (2 x Size). Not size difference. But you are correct that more size difference means the trampler can trample more units.

Tuidjy · #7 April 24th, 2008, 02:36 AM

> And here my girlfriend has always told me that size doesn't matter.

And here's an important piece of advice: "You are not supposed to trample them"

Sir_Dr_D · #8 April 24th, 2008, 02:38 AM

Awe works very well against tramplers actually which had surprised me. As late age Pangea I kept sending minotaurs against acro elephants. That was until I realized that dryad hoplites stopped elephants dead in their tracks.

Tuidjy · #9 April 24th, 2008, 02:41 AM

> Trample damage is 8 + (2 x Size). Not size difference. But you are correct
> that more size difference means the trampler can trample more units.

Are you sure about that? I know that this is what the manual says, but I had
a horde (40+) of ice elementals try to trample one Jarl, and they barely scratched
him although they were trying until the clock ran out. It's possible that he
was getting low damage because he was dodging the tramples, but as I said, there
was a horde, and I have trouble believing that his defense was his only salvation.

Shigure · #10 April 24th, 2008, 02:49 AM

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Sir_Dr_D said:
Awe works very well against tramplers actually which had surprised me. As late age Pangea I kept sending minotaurs against acro elephants. That was until I realized that dryad hoplites stopped elephants dead in their tracks.

Huh, whaddya know. I just did a quick test, and you're right. The elephants run up to the awed units and then start flashing their "oh no, I've been awed" flashes. Well, that changes everything. Good thing I added that disclaimer!