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Re: Russian weapons v4
11. weapon 030 - 122mm M30 L22
I have no intention of debating this entire list but perhaps you can explain to us all how the gun used by the SU-122 and the ISU-122 were the same ? Perhaps you have a photo of an SU-122 in service post war with the ISU-122's gun ??
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May 5th, 2008, 02:53 AM
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Re: Russian weapons v4
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This weapon use in game Concrete bunkers and other bunkers. How bunkers use this weapon against strangers units? Throw in soldiers or tanks the opponent? 
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You're getting very tiresome Maxim.
It's used exactly the same way the claymores are used in the USMC and USA OOB. It's there to defend against close assaults. If an enemy unit gets within range the weapon will discharge. YOU may not see the point in it but I will remind you this isn't your game.
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May 5th, 2008, 10:43 AM
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Re: Russian weapons v4
It would be desirable to wish SP Camo fruitful cooperation with developers national OOB, they deserve that !
Start up even in a year, in new patches we shall see more realism in WinSP.
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May 5th, 2008, 05:59 AM
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Re: Russian weapons v4
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11. weapon 030 - 122mm M30 L22
I have no intention of debating this entire list but perhaps you can explain to us all how the gun used by the SU-122 and the ISU-122 were the same ? Perhaps you have a photo of an SU-122 in service post war with the ISU-122's gun ??
Don
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SU-122 Uses a gun 122mm M-30S. On it history SU-122 comes to an end. This gun was not so effective on the big distances for struggle against armour technics of the opponent.
From the middle of 50th years on the basis of tank T-54 chassis it has been developed SU-122-54 with a gun 122mm D-49 - this gun is similar to a gun 122mm D-25T.
ISU-122 Use a gun 122mm A-19. Further this gun modernised also it has take name D-25. |
May 5th, 2008, 02:08 PM
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Re: Russian weapons v4
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KraMax said:SU-122 Uses a gun 122mm M-30S. On it history SU-122 comes to an end. This gun was not so effective on the big distances for struggle against armour technics of the opponent.
From the middle of 50th years on the basis of tank T-54 chassis it has been developed SU-122-54 with a gun 122mm D-49 - this gun is similar to a gun 122mm D-25T.
ISU-122 Use a gun 122mm A-19. Further this gun modernised also it has take name D-25.
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I see. So explain to me why your OOB has SU-122's using the same gun as a IS-2M and a IS-3 and a IS-4 and a T-10 and a T-10B and a ISU-122 in from 1946 to the end of 1954.
Please do provide photos of this version of the SU-122. I would be quite interested in seeing them. You imply that ALL SU-122's had the short M30 L22 gun removed and replaced with the D-25T starting 1946 ???
Prove it.
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May 5th, 2008, 02:44 PM
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Re: Russian weapons v4
Why we in this theme discuss our OOB?
In this theme I have written that from more 600 made SU-122 with this gun, have a little reached the war end. By the Soviet designers of down M30 it has been recognised by unsuccessful for SU-122 and in August, 1943 manufacture SU-122 has been stopped. Also in design SU-122 there were lacks, for example there was no machine gun.
If in this theme to speak about our OOB we never and did not speak that we OOB does not contain errors - the list of changes in it and the found out errors we always published at this forum. We are always ready to discuss errors or discrepancies and to correct them.
I will study a question about SU-122 and if we are wrong in more details, we is made changes to our OOB.
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May 5th, 2008, 08:28 PM
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Re: Russian weapons v4
After a quick search, I found some pictures of the SU-122-54 aka IT-122.
http://www.dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=457&lng=E
SU-122 and SU-122-54 are two different vehicles because one uses the hull of a T-34 and the other uses the hull of the T-54. Additionally, I believe SU-122-54 was developed to be a tank destroyer. I have no clue how many of them were produced (one translated Russian site says only 77).
I haven't found anything about World War 2 SU-122s having their howitzers being upgraded to the 122mm D-49. During World War 2, the Russians tried to replace the howitzer but those tanks failed during the trials. |
May 5th, 2008, 09:40 PM
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Re: Russian weapons v4
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After a quick search, I found some pictures of the SU-122-54 aka IT-122.
http://www.dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=457&lng=E
SU-122 and SU-122-54 are two different vehicles because one uses the hull of a T-34 and the other uses the hull of the T-54. Additionally, I believe SU-122-54 was developed to be a tank destroyer. I have no clue how many of them were produced (one translated Russian site says only 77).
I haven't found anything about World War 2 SU-122s having their howitzers being upgraded to the 122mm D-49. During World War 2, the Russians tried to replace the howitzer but those tanks failed during the trials.
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Yep... I've seen the photos of that SU-122-54. I would be happier if there was something other than one set of photos in a museum setting. What I'm really curious about are the upgraded post war SU-122's which, as you also discovered, there really isn't anything to be found about them.
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May 5th, 2008, 09:29 PM
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Re: Russian weapons v4
quote]KraMax said:
Why we in this theme discuss our OOB?
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Why ? Because you're the one claiming the SU-122 as we have modeled in the Russian OOB did not exist with the 122mm M30 L22 gun and that we should "clean" that weapon from the OOB but if we "clean" that weapon from the OOB something must replace it in the vehicle.. yes ? So I took a little peek at your OOB and lo and behold you give your SU-122 the same gun as the IS-2M the IS-3, the IS-4 , the T-10 , the T-10B and the ISU-122 in from 1946 to the end of 1954 so I ask you to justify that with proof and the Russian Wikipedia entry isn't very good "proof". I figured since you posted a list of 93 mostly trivial "errors" in our OOB you wouldn't have a problem with my questioning your work. You really don't consider that MAYBE we don't always think your info was passed down on stone tablets. The range of the RCL's is just one example.
So.. show me information on this other weapon the post war SU-122's are supposed to have used. A photo would be a good start especially one of an SU-122 carrying the gun from a T-10
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