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View Poll Results: Is the mass-production of undead priests via Life after Death an exploit?
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May 7th, 2008, 07:33 PM
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Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?
Any nation can be evil with the right God. (Speaking of which, how were your non-death-using nations planning to get a LaD caster in the first place?)
Anyway, even once you do this, it's vulnerable to assassins with anti-undead items, or dominion push with Purgatory since their priests are busy (which will also zap the undead they've already gotten), or just spamming anti-undead spells/items in general to wipe out the freespawn (or the undead commanders; send over a flying thug with Flambeau and watch the soulless dissolve after their leader goes down) after they reach the battlefield. It's not like soulless are some kind of unstoppable killing machines - without something like Storm or Darkness practically any nation can butcher them easily.
As an exploit, it seems to have a long way to go to catch up to clams, and they've been around forever.
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June 30th, 2008, 02:12 PM
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Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?
Hi, the spell in question only works on members of the hall of fame. It would be a really sorry game if there's even one indie priest in the hall of fame. so I don't see it as a problem at all. Bwaha
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June 30th, 2008, 03:13 PM
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Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?
So, after campaigning against the Life after Death exploit, I found myself in a position to abuse it in my current game. However, I found that without Foul Vapors, its actually quite difficult to kill off your own mages. Quite difficult!
The poison cloud will work ... it seemed about 50% of the time, assuming you could make the battle last long enough. However, half the time, the mages/priests would just get wounded/afflicted and run away. And the mages who stayed and were converted to soulless often recieved 2-3 afflictions anyway due to the slow damage pattern of poison.
To really make this trick work, you need a single spell which will (more or less) instantly kill friendly mages. Unless someone can think up how to do this, then I would consider this trick more of a curiousity, rather than an exploit.
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June 30th, 2008, 03:52 PM
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Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?
Communion + Phoenix Pyre + Breath of Winter? 
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June 30th, 2008, 04:30 PM
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Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?
I doubt BoW would kill your mage (and thus cause the chain-reaction) in time.
I wonder tho... if you could call a horror or something.
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June 30th, 2008, 04:53 PM
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Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?
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Bwaha said:
Hi, the spell in question only works on members of the hall of fame. It would be a really sorry game if there's even one indie priest in the hall of fame. so I don't see it as a problem at all. Bwaha
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That's Ritual of Rebirth, not Life After Death.
It's probably simplest to use Rain of Stones. You won't kill them all but you'll kill a lot of them--repeat until you have enough. Earthquake x2 would be an (inferior) alternative, if you have them cast a lot of spells to build up fatigue first.
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June 30th, 2008, 05:09 PM
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Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?
Heh, yeah you could script them to knock themselves unconscious with fatigue while sitting in some killing zone. Have them all cluster together and knock themselves out with their own poison/frost clouds ...
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June 30th, 2008, 05:22 PM
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Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?
The trouble with Rain of Stones is if you do it once you won't kill enough to bother with. If you do it too much you'll kill off the newly soulless mages.
You need something they become immune to. Poison and Cold are the obvious choices.
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June 30th, 2008, 05:24 PM
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Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?
Just put them in a tight group and have another mage cast berserk on them 
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June 30th, 2008, 05:25 PM
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Re: Mass-produced Reanimating Priests: Exploit?
Finally, a use for bog-beast spam... 
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