Ascendant - Game On!

[Darkwind]

charshep said:

The Deep Ones have long looked upon the Aboleths as friends and kinsmen, and hope to render aid whenever the cry to arms is heard. But in this, these games with words that R'lyeh plays with the lesser races of the land, we understand little and care even less. We therefore offer aid in the form of council and say only this: cease your machinations with the races of the land and make what wars and what peace as you can. The Deep Ones will honor our existing commitments: to preserve the sovereignty of the seas and to make no wars with R'lyeh or Lanka (with whom we also have long enjoyed peace and are proud to call friends).

We regret that this news may not be welcome news to the people of R'lyeh but it cannot be otherwise.

The Old One has spoken.

Yoth'Shothogg has acknowledged that the land people are more numerous and more powerful than the seas alone; should all the land be attacked by all the sea, the land would inevitably win. Why not, then, attack one at a time? Why not, then, attack when you have much help? Why not, then, attack and destroy the strongest nation in all the land and bring it down tosize by taking out a hefty peace oneself?

As for Sauromatia, though R'lyeh may take revenge upon Abysia in time, now is not that time. For now, Sauromatia cannot hurt us, and time spent learning how to take the seas is time spent not taking the land. We will strike where you are weakest. We will milk your land for all its worth, and leave barrens if necessary. As you make your offer, we make ours: lay down your arms now, and surrender the lands of Tir Na n'Og, of Kailasa, and every coastal province in your possession. Then, R'lyeh will leave the war.

[Frumious]

R'lyeh, you are ridiculous and say silly things.

[Darkwind]

Ad hominem, my friend. Obvious Arcoscephale's great philosophers have not taught T'ien Chi well. We Aboleths, of course, taught Arcoscephale's philosophers well.

[kasnavada]

Claire thinks that this was one of the finest war declaration she has ever read.

Claire adds that she looks forward to meeting you on the battlefield when Sauromantia is back into its rightful place.

[Frumious]

Darkwind said:
Ad hominem, my friend. Obvious Arcoscephale's great philosophers have not taught T'ien Chi well. We Aboleths, of course, taught Arcoscephale's philosophers well.

Confucious say, ad hominem only apply to argument, not simple statement that R'lyeh talk too much for his own good.

[Renojustin]

I think that R'lyeh, Abysia, and the rest have gone about their response to a large nation in an illogical way. You need to attack the weakest neighbor as soon as possible, to even be competitive at the next level. When you attack the strongest, you waste energy better spent ensuring that you even make it to the next round of players. And later your magic can make up for the difference. Basically you waste your miliary when you could instead be using them to conquer the weak and get an advantage for your own nation.

Here are some nations that I thought had early success in aggression, and that has paid off so far and will in the end:

1) Ulm - they went right for the throat of their first enemy. Personally I think ulmishmen are meant to take down giants, but ever since then he's been playing a very tough match against three nations that wanted his land, but he's losing because of:

2) Tien Chi - they went right after Ulm when Ulm had nearly conquered Fomoria and hit their capital in a lightning attack. Ever since then, have been solidifying their control and it looks tough for Ulm now.

3) Sauromatia - I hit Tir na n'Og with everything I had because he appeared to have a slow start. That seems to have paid off. Kailasa is much tougher, as they skyrocketed to eminence once they defeated the very tough rush of Caelum.

4) C'tis - apparently attacked Marverni, and then went on to fight against two nations - they destroyed the military of R'lyeh, and it looks like they're poised to engulf Marverni. They might even get into the sea before me with that research they've got going, and take out R'lyeh. We'll be seeing you in the finals unless R'lyeh goes back to help its friend Marverni instead of rattling its turtle shells at Sauromatia.

5) Helheim - is still annexing Arcoscephale for another turn or three, I suppose mainly because it's difficult for the entire Helheim army of 50 guys to siege a single castle. Next stop Lanka?

and lastly, Atlantis and Caelum. Caelum went for the throat right away, and you have to respect that. Now these two nations are fighting for their lives over there now, looking for the advantage to see who is going to triumph. Good luck to you both!

[secretperson]

Renojustin said:
I think that R'lyeh, Abysia, and the rest have gone about their response to a large nation in an illogical way. You need to attack the weakest neighbor as soon as possible, to even be competitive at the next level. When you attack the strongest, you waste energy better spent ensuring that you even make it to the next round of players. And later your magic can make up for the difference. Basically you waste your miliary when you could instead be using them to conquer the weak and get an advantage for your own nation.

Here are some nations that I thought had early success in aggression, and that has paid off so far and will in the end:

1) Ulm - they went right for the throat of their first enemy. Personally I think ulmishmen are meant to take down giants, but ever since then he's been playing a very tough match against three nations that wanted his land, but he's losing because of:

2) Tien Chi - they went right after Ulm when Ulm had nearly conquered Fomoria and hit their capital in a lightning attack. Ever since then, have been solidifying their control and it looks tough for Ulm now.

3) Sauromatia - I hit Tir na n'Og with everything I had because he appeared to have a slow start. That seems to have paid off. Kailasa is much tougher, as they skyrocketed to eminence once they defeated the very tough rush of Caelum.

4) C'tis - apparently attacked Marverni, and then went on to fight against two nations - they destroyed the military of R'lyeh, and it looks like they're poised to engulf Marverni. They might even get into the sea before me with that research they've got going, and take out R'lyeh. We'll be seeing you in the finals unless R'lyeh goes back to help its friend Marverni instead of rattling its turtle shells at Sauromatia.

5) Helheim - is still annexing Arcoscephale for another turn or three, I suppose mainly because it's difficult for the entire Helheim army of 50 guys to siege a single castle.

and lastly, Atlantis and Caelum. Caelum went for the throat right away, and you have to respect that. Now these two nations are fighting for their lives over there now, looking for the advantage to see who is going to triumph. Good luck to you both!

This would sound like wisdom but assuming we adopt this idea- wouldn't that make the entire south easier to invade from a 3rd party from the north, having been ravaged by war?

I think you are underplaying how much larger you are than our collective nations. None of us wants to be picked off one by one by a much larger nation and would rather see the balance of power evened out a bit.

[Renojustin]

But you see that's exactly what they're doing. They will make me destroy them when I would just as soon lie back and research some cool stuff I wanted to try in the middle and endgame.