Monkeys cry for changes?

[Humakty]

Sacreds of Bandar cost nothing upkeep wise, you can have lots of them and still recruit tons of mages.

And if all gems are good, astral ones have more uses, for items (luck and anti magic ones for the most commonly forged) and battle field enchantment (which will do wonder on your horde of sacreds)

[Kuritza]

Bandar log are pathetic. At least Patala has useful combat mages; this is not true for the MA Bandar.
Their starting army is UTTER CRAP. And yes, its a seriuos handicap. I dont think you'll find a worse starting army in Dominions 3.
Their mages are sssssssssssssssssssssssslowwwwww.
Their PD sucks.
Their troops suck. They are either useless or cost too much for their prowess, and all of them are completely decimated by archers and bladewind because their best shield is (tadaaam!) buckler.
Their sacreds are very, very frail. Even with a strong bless they will still die en masse when exposed to arrows or combat spells.
Etc, etc. Of all nations, I'd rate the Bandar Log as the most pathetic - worse than even Machaka (which is mainly handicapped by the lack of access to astral - I think they need some national summon with astral magic).

[Humakty]

There are many many mages that are ssssssssslowwww.
Their PD doesn't suck harder (at least not sensibly much) than machaka's one.
In fact their sacreds are almost the only troops I do recruit, with some decoys and archers, they have the upkeep of a chaff unit.(dom 6+)
You don't seem to consider the 3E and 3W mages you can easily enroll(and they often have 4), with great moral and I think 2 strategic movement. I wonder if you use the golem summons with MA Agartha.
Their starting army is utter crap ? Okay, use it to patrol on turn one, recruit sacreds, mix, attack : you'll beat anything not being heavy cavalry.
I find spiders as being costly to enroll, costly to maintain, and not effective enougth in effectively killing something. With bandar you can have many more effective combat groups, raiding behind ennemy lines.
I think a water 9 bless, plus whatever you like or can afford greatly reduces the archer vulnerability, and can easily be achieved with neutral or better scales (I'm at work, so I can't check). You don't need a combat pretender with your sacreds, so why not an dormant/imprisoned one ?
But I agree with you : Machaka truly needs some love, be it summons or whatever pleases KO.

[Kuritza]

>> There are many many mages that are ssssssssslowwww.
Yea, but many small weaknesses combined make a big weakness.
>> Their PD doesn't suck harder (at least not sensibly much) than machaka's one.
Ohkay, maybe. Still it sucks unbelievably hard.
>> You don't seem to consider the 3E and 3W mages you can easily enroll(and they often have 4), with great moral and I think 2 strategic movement.
For a price of 25 nature, its not so easy. Still its great to have them, of course.
>> I find spiders as being costly to enroll, costly to maintain, and not effective enougth in effectively killing something. With bandar you can have many more effective combat groups, raiding behind ennemy lines.
You will be the one who's raided most of the time. And spiders are quite good actually, I've used them. As machaka, I held my ground against Ermor and Pangaea, attacking me from opposite sides, machaka is quite solid.
>> I think a water 9 bless, plus whatever you like or can afford greatly reduces the archer vulnerability
You're losing credibility here. How does defense help against missile fire?

[Natpy]

Machaka has very powerful battle magic and fetish factory. I don`t think they so weak.

[Endoperez]

Water bless means the sacreds reach the enemy faster and kill them faster, and after they rout get to the archers faster. It doesn't protect from the arrows, but the archers won't get to fire as much.

[Kuritza]

Alas, white ones aren't jaguars who can indeed owerwhelm chaff quickly and with little casualties, when blessed with W9.

[NTJedi]

Natpy said:
Machaka has very powerful battle magic and fetish factory. I don`t think they so weak.

Machaka is okay, but having the ultimate worse province defense is definitely noticeable and painful for large maps.