Shattered Soul for tartarians. Do tell !

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Twan said:
For me it's pointless to make the most powerful SC unavailable via wish (after seraphs, another chassis will be the most popular, then another... it's endless).

Slippery slope fallacy. Yes, if Seraph is unavailable to any but the ones whose national spell it is, some other chassis will be the optimal one. The whole goddamn point of national summons is that they are supposed to be restricted to specific nations, which should override popularity as SC chassis for everyone. In my opinion anyway. It does not mean that all other SC possibilities should also be eliminated from the wishlist (not even possible to do that).

Twan said:
And it's a very bad idea to give to any nation an endgame summon others can never have.

Why? If you have 20 options that are generally usable and there's a top 5, eliminating one of the top 5 from those whose national summon it doesn't happen to be still leaves them with all of the others and if they can't deal with it, they deserve to get their arse spanked in an MP game.

Twan said:
Balance between nations may be rock-paper-scissor in early game, but in endgame people should realise balance is only realised via the possibility for all nations to use tartarians, and about anything via wishes. Yes all nations tend to use the same things in endgame, but it's a good thing for balance as long all nations don't have a national powerful endgame SC summon.

So unless everyone has precisely the same options, it's unbalanced? That's what your argument boils down to and I think we smacked that down in a couple of other threads quite handily.

Twan said:
Trying to reduce the number/availability of SCs in general is IMO a bad idea, as long the magic/initiative system stay the same. SCs (or any particular SC chassis) aren't actually overpowered compared to some endgame spells which *force* to use SCs to succeed to take provinces in endgame. Dominions without SCs would just end in big stalemates, with all battles won by defenders with mages.

That's a nice strawman argument there. Nobody is talking about restricting SCs in general. We are talking about restricting ONE specific SC chassis that also happens to be a nation specific summon. Though I would not at all mind restricting the Mandaha in addition to the Seraph and the new powerful Hinnom summons.

Twan said:
For more diversity I'm rather for the addition of more non national non unique SC chassis in all paths (but uniques should also be made more powerful, or nobody will risk gems on them). Because it looks more doable than adding an endgame summon of the power of the seraph for each nation.

That's a good solution, adding more viable SC non-unique chassis options that are summonable.