Russian units v4

[narwan]

Yes perhaps, but when it come to sneaking up on an enemy tank do you really think the whole squad (at size 1, ie not very stealthy) would do so or just two guys with a couple of AT rounds at size 0 (much harder to spot) while the rest stays back? Sometimes just a few men go out there and the game has to reflect that too, hence these teams.

While the game does build around the real orders of battles, those OB's are not the endpoint for the game. They're the start; often minor tweaks are necessary to make the game playable. You should not forget that there are two 'realities' that exist next to each other in the game, getting the OB's as real as possible and getting the gameplay as real as possible. Sometimes these two are in conflict and then minor tweaks can and will be implemented into the OB's. The russian/soviet OB is by no means the only one.

[KraMax]

narwan
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Ok. We will assume that we allocate team from squad. Then we in squad still have 6 persons?
It is wrong - we should take organizational regular structure of armies for a basis, differently in game it is possible to make a lot of nonexistent formations and units. I do not speak that 2 persons with grenades could not exist, but allocating team from squad we can allocate also easier two fighters with rifles AK-47 or other weapon, that too will be wrong.
Probably you also are right about RPG-6, but there are sets of the weapon in game with which also it is possible to allocate in separate team, but for this purpose to us precisely will not suffice slots in OOB.

[DRG]

Narwan, the third "reality" you forgot to mention is that tearing an OOB apart in the way Maxim thinks we should totally destroys any scenario that was built with that OOB. In V4 I tried to balance what I felt should be done with the Russian OOB with what realistically could be done without causing massive disruption to not only the existing scenarios in the game but any that players may have made and posted to the various scenario depots on the 'net.

I recall at some point in the past an offer was made to have these "fixed" by well meaning third parties but I can assure you most of the "errors" people are finding in the game were made by "well meaning third parties "

We provide the tools for people to create their own OOBs and Shrapnel provides the means to distribute it and we have always considered that a perfect compromise. If players don't like ours...... they can use someone else's. However, Maxim has turn this into an obsessive crusade and nothing short of doing everything his way appears to be acceptable as the example of the ZSU-23 used as CS tanks for convoy support attest.

I will take this list and any other error anyone thinks they have found into consideration when and if I find the time to sit down and devote another 1000+ man hours to a patch as I did the last one but I reserve the right to make my own decisions about which "errors" need to be corrected.

Don

[KraMax]

Dear Don.

We appreciate your work and your patience. We also appreciate this tool - Mobhack with which help we can create the OOB. We also understand that it is your game and you are certainly free to make independent decisions.
I wish to clear once again a situation - there is no "crusade" on you or your game. We wish to help. For this purpose I publish here these data. And we are ready to conduct any discussion with dear lodgers of this forum to reach trues.

Yours faithfully.

p.s. sorry for my bad English