Lords of Civilization

Azeral · #1 May 29th, 2008, 07:12 AM

Also, I semi-rescind my notion of the case being absolutely clear-cut, because it appears that summoning a Chayot automatically comes with 4 non-commander Ophanim. At 59 gems a piece and able to solo ridiculous numbers of things each, the loss of two misc slots hurts a little but...uh...flying and map move 5, I'm pretty much just throwing them under the flying/6 Chayot and going wild. If nature blessing bypasses lifelessness, I think I have a new favorite strategy.

Edit: OH GOD WHAT. One of my Ophanim has the Awesome Presence heroic ability and now has Awe +10. Combat basically consists of entire armies refusing to hit him as he tramples through, and anyone who does bypass that has to deal with ethereality, 14 DEF, and then a metric ton of protection. And, for doing this, they get fire shielded.

AlgaeNymph · #2 May 29th, 2008, 07:21 AM

Something I've noticed while playing around with the Grigori in debug mode was that Azazel still likes to play around with the mortals, i.e. he'll occasionally sire a nephilim.

While I'm here, let's compare what we have with my predictions:

� Azazel (death, maybe earth and blood)
� Kokabiel/Baraqel (astral, maybe death)
� Araqiel (earth, maybe astral and nature)
� Chazaqiel (air, maybe water)
� Shamsiel (fire, maybe astral)
� Samyaza (because even though Armaros/Penemue has a more distinctive niche, Samyaza is too big of a name to pass up).

Dedas · #3 May 29th, 2008, 08:34 AM

I think everything should be wishable for, although it should come with some risks attached too it. For example, if you wish for "too much" (like great beings) the being might not like it and turn against you or you will attract horrors or whatnot.

Endoperez · #4 May 29th, 2008, 08:42 AM

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Dedas said:
I think everything should be wishable for, although it should come with some risks attached too it. For example, if you wish for "too much" (like great beings) the being might not like it and turn against you or you will attract horrors or whatnot.

I don't like risks in Wishes, because paying 100 gems for nothing is just crushing. Except for Doom Horrors, but that's because they're supposed to be unique.
Instead, I'd like to have variation. As I said before, having several different angels under one common keyword and Wish for any of them producing one, but not necessarily the one you wanted. It'd be like wishing for Doom Horrors without the attacks and eventual disappearance. You might get a Seraph, or a Chayot or an Ophanim or an Angel of Fury (or something that's a bit weaker but still SC-quality, I don't remember Fury's stats). That'd be enough to make angels different from other beings, and I like the idea of would-be gods paying for the service of human and non-human angels.

I really wish these threads didn't keep popping up, because I feel a bit silly writing essentially this same post again and again. I feel like an ad campaign, "I want my Wish for angels".

Dedas · #5 May 29th, 2008, 08:50 AM

Fair enough. But what about this? The first time you wish it is risk free, the second it becomes a little more risky and so on. The reason: let's say that pestering the gods/forces with your wishes all the time pisses them off.

An addition to the above could be that if you wait a couple of months you are granted a risk free wish again.

Aezeal · #6 May 29th, 2008, 09:02 AM

I think wishing for stuff worth more that 100 gems should be out.. or there should be a major wish (250 gems) which allows all summons and a minor for 100 wich doensn't allow to wish for the most expensive ones.

or if you wish for > 100 pearls worth the creature will always be hostile?

mathusalem · #7 May 29th, 2008, 09:13 AM

I like the Idea of generic with "angel", and put more gems in the Wish for better chance to have a Seraph or a Chayot

WraithLord · #8 May 29th, 2008, 01:40 PM

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Dedas said:
Fair enough. But what about this? The first time you wish it is risk free, the second it becomes a little more risky and so on. The reason: let's say that pestering the gods/forces with your wishes all the time pisses them off.

An addition to the above could be that if you wait a couple of months you are granted a risk free wish again.

I 2nd Dedas on this. I think this is an elegant compromise between outright banning of some wishes and the all is legitimate for wish. No reason why this can't be coupled with the variation suggestion

Micah · #9 May 29th, 2008, 04:07 PM

Were the summon screenies taken in a magic 2-3 dominion? I noticed the sub-par 17 MR on em and was wondering if that was base.

MaxWilson · #10 May 31st, 2008, 01:43 PM

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Azeral said:
Also, I semi-rescind my notion of the case being absolutely clear-cut, because it appears that summoning a Chayot automatically comes with 4 non-commander Ophanim. At 59 gems a piece and able to solo ridiculous numbers of things each, the loss of two misc slots hurts a little but...uh...flying and map move 5, I'm pretty much just throwing them under the flying/6 Chayot and going wild. If nature blessing bypasses lifelessness, I think I have a new favorite strategy.

I just checked and it does not bypass lifelessness. I'm not sure it matters, though. Either you're taking damage (probably from spells) or you're not.

-Max