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April 25th, 2002, 02:46 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
quote: Originally posted by Gryphin:
The name of the book I mentioned was:
"Numbers, Predictions and War"
It gets a lot of hits at Google.com
rdouglass,
"In SE or in real life, technolgy almost always wins. Period."
Your key word is, "Almost". For Example the highly trained and technology superior German Army of WWII vs the untrained masses of equipment of the Russian army. It was however a Phyric Vitory if you look at the kill ratio.
In the case of the Germans, I believe, they failed in the "Art of War".
"There is an exception to every rule. Including that one"
This is enough. I know first-handly how arrogant is western public (consequence of Cold war propaganda) about WWII. But for God sake, how can anyone talk about WWII without any knowledge of T-34, IL-2, KV-1, Katusha, Yak-1/3/7/9, etc. ?
PS. Well, I should concur about "highly trained" note. The 37-38 purge deprived Red Army of 2/3 of command personnel. Nobody knows fo sure, but it is highly likely that was the major reason for disastrous 41 compain. Whatever the modern historians say, Hitler was far from being stupid when he planned 41 invasion of Soviet Union. Barbarossa was a very clever plan, it just did nor work. 40-41 were the lowest point of Red Army readiness. The mass production of T-34 started in January of 41. One year delay and Wermacht (spl, sorry) would not advance farther then Brest.
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April 25th, 2002, 03:03 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
oleg, I know that T34 & KV1 were tanks
and believe IL-2 and Yak 1-9 were planes.
but you have me on Katusha!
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April 25th, 2002, 03:49 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
quote: Originally posted by Taz-in-Space:
oleg, I know that T34 & KV1 were tanks
and believe IL-2 and Yak 1-9 were planes.
but you have me on Katusha!
For IL-2 check out these links (I'm not Oleg who programed the game, good luck to him )
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/ent...00/1698123.stm
http://www.il2sturmovik.com/
"Katusha" is a mobile short-range rocket launcher. Even though designed in WWII, it has a relevance to modern times:
http://www.iris.org.il/katyusha.htm
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April 25th, 2002, 04:08 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
some very good Posts to this forum, if no one minds, I will add to the Stratagy&tactic website, it would be a shame for this forum to be lost.
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April 25th, 2002, 04:26 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
Ther is a very good article about why Nazi Germany lost the war in www.wargamer.com . It had more to do with logistics than anything else. Very good read. And some of it could be used in SEIV.
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April 25th, 2002, 04:34 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
Having a ally that can't fight worth crap is also a downer. One has to choose friends wisely.
(cough, cough, Italians)
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April 25th, 2002, 04:52 AM
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Re: SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?
Good point. consider the French in WWII, of for that matter Italy during this time frame. In terms of SEIV they would have been lost except for a huge economic base, that was at least a year in gearing up, i would love for a WWII bases scenerio, perhaps in SEV.
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