SE4 Strategy - An Art or a Science?

[oleg]

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Originally posted by Gryphin:

Different example: The French had superior technology than the Germans. Gun for Gun, Tank for Tank, the equipment was 10 to 15 percent better than the German equipment. They lost when the used it as infantry support. To me that is "Art". They used it wrong. The rest is History.
Yes, I have over simplyfied and nor to I pretend to be an expert. These are just observations I have made and conclusions I have drawn.

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Yes, S-35 and and S-36 were quite formidable tankc, in par or even bettrer then T-III. However, I am not aware of mass-produced French aircraft close to Me-109. And even if they are, the result wold be like this :

Pierre, a brave French fighter pilot, takes his girlfriend, Marie, out
for a pleasant little picnic by the River Seine.
It's a beautiful day and love is in the air.

Marie leans over to Pierre and says, "Pierre, kiss me!"

Pierre grabs a bottle of Merlot and splashes it on Marie's lips.
"What are you doing, Pierre?" says the startled Marie.
"I am Pierre, the fighter pilot! When I have red meat, I have red wine!"
She smiles and they start kissing.

Things began to heat up a little and Marie says, "Pierre, kiss me lower."

Our hero tears her blouse open, grabs a bottle of Chardonnay and pours it on her breasts.

"Pierre! What are you doing now?" asks the bewildered Marie.
"I am Pierre, the fighter pilot! When I have white meat, I have white wine!"

She giggles and they resume their passionate interlude,
and things really steam up.

Marie leans close to his ear and whispers, "Pierre, kiss me much lower!"

Pierre rips off her underwear, grabs a bottle of Cognac and pours it in her lap.

He then strikes a match and lights the cognac on fire.
Marie shrieks and dives into the River Seine. Standing waist deep,
Marie throws her arms into the air and screams furiously,
"PIERRE, WHAT IN THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING?"

Our 'hero' stands and says defiantly, "I am Pierre, the fighter pilot!
If I go down, I go down in flames!"

[mac5732]

Oleg, ROFL, most excellent

just some ideas mac

[PDF]

About French and Soviet equipment in WWII (that I do know quite well), I strongly disagree that they had "technological" advantages over German ones.
French and Soviet tanks had in fact better DESIGNS (more armor generally) and LOWER tech : guns were quite inferior in accuracy, optics were more crude, turrets were cramped, they had no radios (so the tank commander had to operate the gun AND read signals from the platoon leader !).
Adding to that poor training and tactics they generally lost in 40-41 ... French lost their war, Russia was able to stand due to large territory, industrial base, Western help and sheer will to not give up (and a quite dictatorial government that wasn't scared by sending millions to die...).

If you want an example of losing "hi tech" country in a war, rather take Vietnam...

[Growltigga]

or the American intervention in Mogadishu, Somalia? that is a classic example of how a high tech militaristic nation can get ahem...... soundly thrashed by its less than exemplary foes

[geoschmo]

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Originally posted by Growltigga:
or the American intervention in Mogadishu, Somalia? that is a classic example of how a high tech militaristic nation can get ahem...... soundly thrashed by its less than exemplary foes

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Soundly thrashed? The Somalian Campaign was a political failure, not a military one. The battle depicted in "Black Hawk Down" was at the time the largest number of US casualties in combat since Vietnam, and the main objective to capture the warlord failed, but at the end of the day as many as ten Somalis were dead for every one US soldier. Not exactly a "thrashing".

Another historical example of a technologically weaker foe defeating a stronger one would also be the colonies defeating the British Army in the American Revolutionary War.

Geo

[Mudshark]

Here is the article Oleg;
http://www.wargamer.com/articles/german_myth_main.asp

[dumbluck]

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Originally posted by PDF:

If you want an example of losing "hi tech" country in a war, rather take Vietnam...

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Or the Russian Version: Afganistan. Not that I can spell it this late at night....