More stupid newbie tricks ( questions ) !

[eorg]

Originally posted by oleg:
When enemy completes an intel project against you, SE IV subtracts its cost from accumulated intel points in one of your counter-intel projects. If result is negative, intel project hits you. Higher level projects can have more points and stop high-level sabotage which can cost more than full low-level counter-intel project.[/QB]

and you have some counter-intel bonus (10-30% i am not sure)

[DirectorTsaarx]

ISTR that the higher-level counterintel projects also add a multiplier to defense. In other words, I think each point spent for counterintel level 2 counts as 2 points of defense, and each point of counterintel level 3 counts as 3 points of defense. (And the settings.txt file shows that intel defense gets a 20% bonus on top of that).

Someone on this board claims to have tested & verified the above, but I can't remember who did it or when...

[Q]

Originally posted by DirectorTsaarx:
ISTR that the higher-level counterintel projects also add a multiplier to defense. In other words, I think each point spent for counterintel level 2 counts as 2 points of defense, and each point of counterintel level 3 counts as 3 points of defense. (And the settings.txt file shows that intel defense gets a 20% bonus on top of that).

Someone on this board claims to have tested & verified the above, but I can't remember who did it or when...

That was me not long ago and your statement is absolutely correct. You can change this by editing the intel project files:
Effect Amount := 1
in the counter intel projects will give you only one effective point for defense, values of 2 or 3 will double or triple the effect of your counter intel points.

[Dogberry]

Thanks guys... I guess that answers my basic question, that there is a benefit to say .. running Cointel 1 & 2 concurrently as opposed to just running one or the other.

Dog

[Baron Munchausen]

Originally posted by georgig:

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Originally posted by oleg:
When enemy completes an intel project against you, SE IV subtracts its cost from accumulated intel points in one of your counter-intel projects. If result is negative, intel project hits you. Higher level projects can have more points and stop high-level sabotage which can cost more than full low-level counter-intel project.

and you have some counter-intel bonus (10-30% i am not sure)[/QB]

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The default bonus for intelligence 'defense' is 20 percent, and it's set in SETTINGS.TXT like many other things.

Intelligence Defense Modifier Percent := 120

There is an additional 'gotcha' to the use of counter-intelligence though. If all of your counter-intelligence projects terminate at the same time -- due to 'filling up' with points -- a bunch of enemy projects will be completed against you on that turn even if you're outspending those enemies by a huge margin. You have to find a way to manage your counter-intel in a way that keeps all of the projects from terminating on the same turn.

[DirectorTsaarx]

Originally posted by Dogberry:
Thanks guys... I guess that answers my basic question, that there is a benefit to say .. running Cointel 1 & 2 concurrently as opposed to just running one or the other.

Dog

Actually, it's probably better to just run multiple Cointel 2 projects.

Another possibility is to start with just 1 Counter-Intel project (highest level you can); keep just that 1 project going until it's 2-3 turns from "completing". Then add a new counter-intel project, make sure it's at the top of the list, and turn OFF the "Divide Points Evenly". All your points will go into the new project, and the almost-completed project will be sitting there with lots of counter-intel points just waiting for incoming intelligence attempts. After building up a couple of counter-intel projects, I frequently put a cheap intel project or two of my own at the front of the list so I can whittle away the enemy's counter-intel; in a major intel war, you just have to make sure SOME of your points still go into counter-intel.

Oh yeah - make sure "Repeat Projects" is ALWAYS on for the Intel/Counter-intel projects...

[ May 16, 2002, 14:58: Message edited by: DirectorTsaarx ]

[Dogberry]

This is OT, but there is really good traffic at this site .. for a game like this.

Dog