(Counter-) Intel question.

[Askan Nightbringer]

well somebody shoot me down in flames if i'm wrong but

1. Counter Intel 1 counts as 1 defence per point spent
2. Counter Intel 2 counts as 2 defence per point spent.
3. Counter Intel 3 counts as 3 defence per point spent.

So for 130000 points on Counter Intel 3 you get 390000 defence. If this had been saved up for a few turns before you started your attack then it'll take a few more turns to bring the defence down.

Askan

[Suicide Junkie]

Counter-Intel gets that +20% modifier for defense, and it can store up points.
If you have 12 Counter intel 3's, (500 K each), you can store up to 6 million defense points.

You will have to wear down all of his stored defenses before your first attack will succeed.

[geoschmo]

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Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
You will have to wear down all of his stored defenses before your first attack will succeed.

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So how do you "wear down" his stored defenses? Do the poiunts you spend on attack subtract from his stored points? Or does an attack of yours that complets cancel one defense of his, regardless of poinst stored, or produced.

I'm still very confused about all this. I pretty much just throw points at intel attacks and counter intel and hold my breath. I am usually more supriced when my attacks succed than when they fail.

Geoschmo

[Suicide Junkie]

A successful defense will subtract the cost of the attack from your stored defense points.

I am not sure what happens if the defender has some points, but not quite enough. You will be likely to find out who the attacker is even if you can't stop the attack itself.

[geoschmo]

What if the defender has two projects going and has enough points stored between the two of them to stop the attack, but not enough in either one to stop the attack? Will the attack succeed? If not what happens to the points? Do they coem from both prohects equally or all from one and the rest from the other.

WHat happens to a counter intel project when all the points are depleted? Does it then go away?

If all this is correct it really is more imporant how long your projects have been going then how many points you are producing each turn.

[Suicide Junkie]

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What if the defender has two projects going and has enough points stored between the two of them to stop the attack, but not enough in either one to stop the attack? Will the attack succeed? If not what happens to the points? Do they coem from both prohects equally or all from one and the rest from the other.

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I would assume the worst, and then be pleasantly surprised .
I think depletion happens from left to right, but I haven't seen much intel action in my games.

When a counter-intel project is depleted, it stays where it is. That saves a ton of micromanagement.

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If all this is correct it really is more imporant how long your projects have been going then how many points you are producing each turn.

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Well, multiply the two together. Moderate points for a moderate time is better than tons of points for a short while, or a handful of points for decades.

Of course, if you produce more than your opponent(s), then it dosen't matter how long you've been storing up

[geoschmo]

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Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
Of course, if you produce more than your opponent(s), then it dosen't matter how long you've been storing up

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I always assumed that, but if everything else you are saying is correct then that is not exactly true. A player producing fewer points that stores them up by working on several attack projects over a long period of time can have sucess against a defending empire that produces more points if they dont do a good job of maintaing there counter intel projects so that they don't lose the stored points. Or am I still misunderstanding something?

Sounds like I need to do some testing this weekend. It never amazes me how I can still be learning stuff about this game after a year and a half.

Geoschmo