New Mod: The Art of War Mod

[dumbluck]

Now, what's the fun of modding if I let you do it all? I still like my idea, and will prolly toy around with it for the fun of it, just to see if I can actually make it work. If you have serious objections to people tinkering with mQNP, I'll just release your stock Version. I have another idea simmering in the back of my mind that might accomplish what I'm trying to do.

Edit: I forget, did you extend mQNP down into the fighters and drones?

2nd edit: my keyboard can't spell!

[ December 28, 2002, 11:11: Message edited by: dumbluck ]

[Fyron]

You know what you need DL? Tech grids. That would add a lot of art to researching.

[Pax]

Originally posted by dumbluck:
Now, what's the fun of modding if I let you do it all? I still like my idea, and will prolly toy around with it for the fun of it, just to see if I can actually make it work. If you have serious objections to people tinkering with mQNP, I'll just release your stock Version. I have another idea simmering in the back of my mind that might accomplish what I'm trying to do.

I'm not at ALL un-amenable to people tinkering with mQNP ... in fact I *encourage* it. I'm merely offering to take osme fo the grunt work off your hands, in teh process of your using something *I* have been kinda pushing for.

Edit: I forget, did you extend mQNP down into the fighters and drones?

No, the sample I sent you was just that, a sample -- based solely on the ship hulls. Okay, a *functional*, useable sample ... but a sample nonetheless.

2nd edit: my keyboard can't spell!

Heh. Well, I'm posting froma friend's NT box, on a cable modem ... and I am JEALOUS of the modem ... it loads these forums up in an eyeblink ... !

I'll trade my slow-as-frozen-molasses-on-the-moon's-dark-side modem, and my keyboard, for your can't-spell-worth-crud keyboard and (probably) faster net connection!

LOL

[ December 29, 2002, 01:49: Message edited by: Pax ]

[LostCommander]

This looks like it will be really neat! Keep up good work!

[dumbluck]

Fyron: (emphasis added)

Originally posted by dumbluck:
I was thinking of resurrecting this mod on my own, with my extremely limited abilities. More specifically, I was wanting to incorperate most of it's ideas into a tech-grid kind of mod. (you know, one where, for instance, you research different techs to increase missile range, increase missile damage resistance, increase missile speed, etc. etc. etc.) ....

This is pretty low on the priority list, right now. I'm no longer even sure if I'm willing to commit that much time and effort into this mod (look how long it's taken me to get this far!!!). But I'm keeping it in mind.

[dumbluck]

Pax: The reason that I like messing with the EPM is that it allows for a high amount of granularity. (is that even a word?) However, another way of (sorta) achieving what I'm looking for is to slowly decrease the efficiency of engines as hull size increases. For example, you have total engine tonnage that are always 10% of the total hull tonnage (I don't recall the actual #s off the top of my head). What if that % slowly increased with hull size? So that an Escort uses 10% for engines, but a Frigate uses 12%, and a destroyer uses 13%, etc. etc. etc. Even better would be to set it up based on tonnage increase, instead of class increase. Now, every time the hull size increases 100kt, the % needed for engines goes up 1%.

Does that make any sense? Of coarse, these numbers are just off the top of my head, atm...

...you have my email...

I do? I hope it's in my mailbox, then...

PS: I have a cable modem, too.

[ December 31, 2002, 14:37: Message edited by: dumbluck ]

[dumbluck]

Ok. First off, thanx to mumbles I know that I left a minor file out of the Last .zip file. Here is the corrected file:

AoWv0_81.zip

2nd: Pax, if you're still interested in working on this with me, I'm leaning towards the Hybrid model of the mQNP. 9 levels of ship construction is easily divided into 3 levels of Engine sizes. Oh and I can't find your e-mail addy anywhere, so if you could send me a quick email, I'd appreciate it.

3rd: If you read the Alpha tester thread, you may have noticed that I mentioned a departure from the standard SY model. This is what I was thinking of:

---3 levels of SYfacilities, with very low build/repair rates, researchable thru the SY tech field.
---9 levels of base mountable SYcomponents, small and with low build rates. Components increase in size as tech levels advance (but the build rate/kt ratio improves with tech increases). They are researched thru the Ship Construction tech field. They have minor repair abilities. Base SYcomponents are NOT limited to one per ship. So their buildrates are stackable. (If I understand the game mechanics correctly)
---3 levels of ship mountable SYcompontents, larger than and with faster build rates than Base mountable Versions. However, they are intended to be considerably less effiecient than a dedicated Base SY. The build rate/kt ratio improves with tech increases; or alternately, increased tech levels may just reduce the maintenance penalty (see below). They're limited to one per ship. They might also include a minor repair ability. They are researched thru the SY tech field. I haven't yet decided whether they will be more or less efficient than Planetary SYs.
---Each SY tech level (or possibly Base Construction instead of SY tech) also yields mounts that reduce the size of Base SY components slightly.
---I'm also considering adding a maintenance penalty to the components to make them cheap to build, but expensive to maintain and run. I have yet to decide whether to make the penalty decrease with tech level, remain steady, or tie it to the buildrate/kt ratio.

The general idea is that Planetary SYs would be just about useless. You need them (or a ship based SY) to build your first orbital Base SY, but after that, you'd probably be better off scrapping it to open up the facility slot. Most ship construction would occur at Base SYs. Mobile SYs give up a lot of efficiency in exchange for that mobility, and would probably have steaper maintenance penalties than the stationary variety (after compensating for the base hull mainteance bonus).

I'm hoping to keep it down to about 5 SY components per base in order to avoid absurdly high repair rates. Thus the gradual size increases, to somewhat keep up with the implementation of larger base sizes.

Of coarse, this whole concept hinges on the assumptions that SY build rates stack and that I can remove the one per ship tag on the SY components. Assumptions I haven't tested yet.

OK, are there any questions/comments/observations?

[ January 20, 2003, 12:49: Message edited by: dumbluck ]