HINNOM EATS EVERYTHING

[Tifone]

Maybe, Reno, but even being a bad *** (as I am ) I would rather fear a 5 meters tall woman with an anaconda's tail from which 6 half dogs bark their hunger for human flesh, than some angel (or even Voltron, if you wish )

[JimMorrison]

Any woman who has barking dog head's hanging out of her, is bad news in my book.

But if you're talking about the Lords of Creation, they're that bad *** because they used to be pretty much walking gods. They are immensely powerful, and now that they are tainted from imprisonment and reawakening, are quite psychotic as well. All those others are fairly tame compared to a pissed off and formerly imprisoned arch-angel.

[Tifone]

Ok, and being them so pissed off makes them 10 times more fearful then a gigantic lion with a poisonous scorpion sting, bat wings and an old (pissed off himself) man's head?

And even being them so pissed off, they can be very silent indeed if they are so stealthy

Maybe (and I say, maybe) this nation is already very powerful to have those 6 very pissed off summons ^^

Nobody misunderstands me plz!! I like the flavour of the nation!! The flavour of the Lords of Civilization!! I am not a balance maniac!! 4 reelz!!
I'm just saying for me, it would be good if some of the (IMHO very thematic) advices given by the people of this forum are implemented to Hinnom - a lower morale, a smallest initial army, no access to astral so if you want those bad-*** guys and the horror spam etc, you absolutely need a pretender designed in this way (it was rather surprising to me that Baalz said the thing you want the most from your pretender are scales... what? a nation that doesn't need the pretender for magic diversity, help in initial expansion by a SC, blesses? )

Those are my opinions. I am ALWAYS opened to new points ^^

[MaxWilson]

Hmmm, that makes me think. Maybe Hinnom should have the option of taking one of the Grigori as its pretender? It would be especially nice if you could require it to be Imprisoned, but there's no way to do that outside of a very high point cost (which would still be circumvented with rubbish scales). 310 points and newpathcost 50 seems fair.

-Max

[JimMorrison]

Hehe Tifone, the thing about overall balance, is that it is very hard to manage a Hinnom economy in order to really exploit Blood income. Their Blood Hunters eat pop, and while it's not impossible to work it out, it is sufficiently difficult that I am sure it will take a lot of luck, and very good choices in MP to actually successfully summon Lords.

As to their fear, yes a Manticore is an enormous, hideous beast. It makes untrained men soil themselves. But it doesn't have laser beam eyes and lightning shooting from it's arse. >.> The Grigori are immensely powerful, and while mothers tell their children stories of Manticores to make them eat their vegetables, the prophecies of the return of the Grigori are so terrifying, that they are spoken of only in hushed tones. So while terrfying, the Manticore is just a mundane beast, and you have to assume something as powerful as the Grigori is more than that, like a 30 foot tall Darth Vader. You may forget to soil yourself, as you go mad and run away sobbing like a little girl.

[chrispedersen]

Scratches head.

I still haven't seen any population getting et. Maybe I should look harder....