C'Tis - Miasma, Question about cold blodded

[Xietor]

Ctis is hardly underpowered. That said, they do need alligators in their swamps for thematic reasons!

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_gator_deer.htm

This is NOT a huge gator though. Only 12 foot or so. In the 1800's in Louisiana Gators reached 20 feet in length. In the times of MA Ctis, who can say how large the Gators may have grown?

Of course huge is a relative term. If you were in the water and it was staring at you, I am sure it would look enormous.

[Reverend Zombie]

Crocs, people, crocs for C'tis!!!

NOT gators.

[Xietor]

There are no crocs in the Miasma. New orleans is the Miasma if there ever was one. Our swamps have gators, not the wimpy crocs. Crocs are longer, but a Gator is much thicker and broader.

[Kuritza]

To be honest, this thread intrigued me. I think I'll try Miasma again when I can to check some ideas.

[Amhazair]

Kuritza said:
To be honest, this thread intrigued me. I think I'll try Miasma again...

My work here is done.

[JimMorrison]

Xietor said:
There are no crocs in the Miasma. New orleans is the Miasma if there ever was one. Our swamps have gators, not the wimpy crocs. Crocs are longer, but a Gator is much thicker and broader.

I am pretty sure the C'tis nation is based on Egyptian influences. Miasma /= the bayou, Miasma = Nile flooding. Egypt has Crocodilios, not Alley-gators.

[Xietor]

Bah, backgrounds can change! Obviously New Orleans is a superior Miasma to the swamps in the Nile Delta.

[Chris_Byler]

If I recall correctly, seas are immune to Miasma. So you can give indie and site-based mages water-breathing items and park them in a sea lab for research/forging. A few will get diseased before they get there, but not too many, I don't think.

Once you have a foothold in the water, you can use your water gems on aquatic summons and not have to worry about them getting diseased either. (Of course, once you've taken over all the available water, that's not so useful anymore.)

Maybe MA C'tis should automatically be placed on a coast like LA Atlantis - it seems appropriate for them (how many landlocked swamps do you know of?), and since they have good options for getting into water (at least if there's no actual water nation right off their coast), it would help a bit.

I forget - are winter wolves immune to miasma? Ethereals probably should be (this would also give C'tis another route for preserving indy/site mages - Robe of Shadows).


Another idea I had to help C'tis deal with their dominion - make an item that turns the wearer undead, or add that effect to one or more existing items (Wraith Crown or Rib Cage seem appropriate). This would allow them to immunize indy/site mages from miasma - even if they got diseased the turn they were recruited, making them undead would halt the progression of the disease. (You can do the same with Twiceborn, but then you have to get killed without getting too many afflictions in the process... unless your Twiceborn rebirth removes them, I don't remember.)

Another possibility would be a version of Twiceborn that works immediately.


Both could also be used *against* Miasma, but being undead isn't all beer and skittles, especially if instead of sitting around researching and not getting diseased you're going to take the field against one of the main Death nations in the game that also has strong priests.

[Taqwus]

Perhaps 'Hidden in Swamp' could be used to create cheap castles...

[WraithLord]

Chris_Byler said:
If I recall correctly, seas are immune to Miasma. So you can give indie and site-based mages water-breathing items and park them in a sea lab for research/forging. A few will get diseased before they get there, but not too many, I don't think.

Are you 100% sure about this?

Chris_Byler said:
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Maybe MA C'tis should automatically be placed on a coast like LA Atlantis - it seems appropriate for them (how many landlocked swamps do you know of?), and since they have good options for getting into water (at least if there's no actual water nation right off their coast), it would help a bit.

Great suggestion

Chris_Byler said:
I forget - are winter wolves immune to miasma? Ethereals probably should be (this would also give C'tis another route for preserving indy/site mages - Robe of Shadows).

I don't really like this one, it will make it too easy for other nations to bypass miasma.

Chris_Byler said:
Another idea I had to help C'tis deal with their dominion - make an item that turns the wearer undead, or add that effect to one or more existing items (Wraith Crown or Rib Cage seem appropriate). This would allow them to immunize indy/site mages from miasma - even if they got diseased the turn they were recruited, making them undead would halt the progression of the disease. (You can do the same with Twiceborn, but then you have to get killed without getting too many afflictions in the process... unless your Twiceborn rebirth removes them, I don't remember.)

Another possibility would be a version of Twiceborn that works immediately.


Both could also be used *against* Miasma, but being undead isn't all beer and skittles, especially if instead of sitting around researching and not getting diseased you're going to take the field against one of the main Death nations in the game that also has strong priests.

I really like these ideas, but I don't think we'll see any of them added to vanilla game. Mod is the only hope to ever see them.

Its interesting to know whether twice born removes afflictions.