VOTD-Still like it

chrispedersen · #1 July 31st, 2008, 12:35 PM

Quoting cicero doesn't make your arguments more potent.

If you VoTD makes playing SC's untenable - then you should (obviously) stop playing SC's.

*if* you play SC's, and *if* his kill count is high, and *if* your enemy can find him, because you continue to use him against him, and *if* your SC isn't outfitted with MR items, and *if* you haven't developed an VotD honeypot - then yes VotD can be effective.

thats enough ifs that I'm not too worried about it. SC's should have counters.

thejeff · #2 July 31st, 2008, 01:12 PM

Well, from the example given it sounds like he did have his SC outfitted with MR items. Maybe he just got unlucky, but that's apparently not enough to render VotD useless.

Even if you can't kill the SCs with VotD, if you force your enemy to stop using them against you for fear of it, either to hide or to keep his kill count low, then VotD is effective.

And I have no idea what you mean by VotD honeypot. Please explain?

So most of your long list of conditions is irrelevant. Either you stop using SCs or they die. High MR is the only real counter if you want to keep using the SC. So balance depends on how effective MR is against it.

Kuritza · #3 July 31st, 2008, 01:37 PM

I was quoting Cicero to stop 'Monkey PD' trolling. To you, I can only beg you to read my posts again before posting the 'equip him with MR'. MR inst reliable against a spell that finds you everywhere.
SC's do have a plenty of counters without Tau4 hide-or-die spells.
Thejeff, thank you, its good to know that somebody reads others argumentation on these boards.

Tifone · #4 July 31st, 2008, 01:48 PM

How do you dare calling me troll just for having made a widely recognizeable joke about a funny thing happened here in the forum.
Boy, if you are full of yourself with all your big words and quotations, at least don't start seeing enemies everywhere.
I don't know you and I would never have tried to offend what you say in such a cheap way. Learn some respect, and some auto-irony. You attacked Jim Morrison for what was clearly a joke and now me. You are not untouchable by irony, man, nobody is.

Peace.

chrispedersen · #5 July 31st, 2008, 07:55 PM

A VoTD honey pot is just that.

An SC that you specically kill chaff with, to keep his kill count high. Then you outfit him with your favorite methods of undead slaying.

Keep your VotD honeypot with your other SC.. and any VotD cast on the territory hits the honeypot.

Kuritza · #6 August 1st, 2008, 01:18 AM

So what do you propose as an unlimited-amounts-of-undead-slayer-around-turn-20-to-40?

Coldshard · #7 August 1st, 2008, 03:00 AM

What kind of undead are those that attack during the dream?

Having carcator the pocket lich would serve as double protection though.. he would kill off many creatures on his own and with death 5 he can put a serious hurt on a whole lot of undead

Would having a high reach weapon and blood vengence work very well? It seems like that would kill off a whole lot of the undead in a hurry plus make it less likely an enemy spellcaster will want to try and do much to the sc...

MaxWilson · #8 August 1st, 2008, 12:10 PM

The only way to kill off *unlimited* amounts of undead is BE. Fire Brand + Quickening + Charcoal Shield *might* be able to handle around 300.

-Max

Renojustin · #9 August 1st, 2008, 12:21 PM

Well, if they hit you with it again, you've now got to face 600.

thejeff · #10 August 1st, 2008, 12:24 PM

That was kind of my problem with the honeytrap idea.

You have to be able to mass produce SCs capable of dealing with first enough chaff to attract it's attention over the real SC, then you're going to want the above Firebrand, quickness, Fire Shield combo to actually kill the undead, plus as much MR as possible to reduce the number of VotD that actually affect you -- to reduce the doubling affect of VotD.

And you've got to have this guy, not hidden, wherever you actually use your real SC, so he's got to participate (and survive) in your SC's real battles as well. So no teleporting you're SC around unless your honeypot can follow, etc, etc.

At this point he has to be a significant investment, that you're going to regret losing.

As far as BE for killing unlimited undead. There's no reliable way to do that more than once a turn. They take gems and if multiple VotDs get through, you'll burn them out on the first one. (Though a guy with the Ark should work, but that's hardly early and you only get one.)