VOTD-Still like it

[Coldshard]

What kind of undead are those that attack during the dream?

Having carcator the pocket lich would serve as double protection though.. he would kill off many creatures on his own and with death 5 he can put a serious hurt on a whole lot of undead

Would having a high reach weapon and blood vengence work very well? It seems like that would kill off a whole lot of the undead in a hurry plus make it less likely an enemy spellcaster will want to try and do much to the sc...

[MaxWilson]

The only way to kill off *unlimited* amounts of undead is BE. Fire Brand + Quickening + Charcoal Shield *might* be able to handle around 300.

-Max

[Renojustin]

Well, if they hit you with it again, you've now got to face 600.

[thejeff]

That was kind of my problem with the honeytrap idea.

You have to be able to mass produce SCs capable of dealing with first enough chaff to attract it's attention over the real SC, then you're going to want the above Firebrand, quickness, Fire Shield combo to actually kill the undead, plus as much MR as possible to reduce the number of VotD that actually affect you -- to reduce the doubling affect of VotD.

And you've got to have this guy, not hidden, wherever you actually use your real SC, so he's got to participate (and survive) in your SC's real battles as well. So no teleporting you're SC around unless your honeypot can follow, etc, etc.

At this point he has to be a significant investment, that you're going to regret losing.


As far as BE for killing unlimited undead. There's no reliable way to do that more than once a turn. They take gems and if multiple VotDs get through, you'll burn them out on the first one. (Though a guy with the Ark should work, but that's hardly early and you only get one.)

[MaxWilson]

Right, being able to kill 300 undead is a mitigator to get you further into midgame (you can survive one failed MR check). It's not immunity to VotD like the Ark is.

-Max

[chrispedersen]

Hmmm I would think a quickened hastened charcoal shielded regenerating trampler would do much more.

[Kuritza]

chrispedersen said:
Hmmm I would think a quickened hastened charcoal shielded regenerating trampler would do much more.

This trampler has to be undead or elemental royalty with base encumberance 0. Undead are immune to VotD.

[MaxWilson]

You don't actually have to be enc 0. It's possible to kit out a Size 5 Adonim, for instance, so that he can trample 3 or 4 squares worth of size 2 troops per turn without ever going above fatigue 14.

-Max

[chrispedersen]

You're missing the point K. VOTD the above mentioned or similar. I believe he could take out 600 or more undead in 50 turns.

Roughly (50x18) = 900 squares of movement. = 600 squares of units. Plus the charcoal square will kill a good bit.
Sure, you lose a turn for hastened...

Equip or cast items that generate battle field effects. wrathful skies... You could do a lot more.