New Board - Props and Slops

[Annette]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

Richard, you can run this through a test board 10 times, it has nothing to do with the human aspect. No one is disparaging your technical prowess, we are just feeling as if our needs are being disregarded, for the aspirations of others.

Requesting that this discussion be terminated, and moved to a more formal and totally invisible complaint system, is a symptom of that very issue. We are discussing things here, and the whole thing has remained entirely civil, so I see no reason to squash the thread. If you're afraid that Mindi and Annette will simply pay too much attention to this thread, maybe that is so. They are tremendously patient with us, and I don't think there is enough appreciation that we can possibly lavish on them for not dropping PMs at us that say "quitcher*****in". :P


Regarding suggestions that game specific discussion be taken off site - I'm not sure I understand how this is in any way optimal for a PBEM game. IRC would be the medium of choice if we were playing for extended periods all together. Otherwise, due to the nature of the gameplay, and the nature of all of the scheming and plotting that is involved in a game of Dominions that takes 2-3 months to play through, the forum PM system is the ideal format - especially now with the ability to forward PMs to others.

The Shrapnel forums have always been the needle in the haystack. Suggesting that we go set up a special email to use only with Dominions, that we will have to manage separately for privacy and continuity concerns - just because the PM limits are similar to those used by other successful forums - is just plain ludicrous.

I think most people posting in this thread are displaying their ability to be rational and agreeable. We are not railing against change. We are feeling somewhat deprived and oppressed. The line between change and removal is not fine, nor is it mutable. Useful, appreciated, and integral portions of this forum no longer exist. Relating this to inventions and discoveries that universally enhance quality of life - could be construed as misleading at best.


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I just got angry for the first time today. We have asked repeatedly that specific issues be posted in a specific thread. It's not efficient for Mindi, Richard, Tim and myself to hunt around various threads in various forums to identify problems and requests. As Ich said, the party seems to be here, so we're here. But we're also in the thread we asked to be the official spot. We're also answering pm's, and it goes on and on. We're spending a great deal of time here talking in circles about a handful of issues, when that time could/should be spent working on the known problems.

Richard has asked that a pm be sent to Mindi if you have a specific issue which needs to be resolved or a specific complaint. This is to help us be able to actually address these issues in a timely, consistent manner. You are welcome to continue this discussion, assuming it remains civilized, for as long as you like. We're saying, we need to keep on task. You are not being censored, and frankly I'm offended by the suggestion that you are.

You may no longer call me Neil

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by Annette

As Ich said, the party seems to be here, so we're here. But we're also in the thread we asked to be the official spot.

Just looked again after posting. This "official spot" is nowhere to be found. I would assume that it would be in this General Forum, since it deals with the same content as this thread, which was moved here. However, no such luck. So people are getting pissed at me for posting in the only visible place for such discussion. I still have these unclaimed vouchers for footrubs, and I am not afraid to pass them out.

[lch]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

Just looked again after posting. This "official spot" is nowhere to be found. I would assume that it would be in this General Forum, since it deals with the same content as this thread, which was moved here. However, no such luck.

The "PLEASE READ RE: Site Conversion" sticky in the Shrapnel general forums can be replied to. That's the "official" place.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by lch

The "PLEASE READ RE: Site Conversion" sticky in the Shrapnel general forums can be replied to. That's the "official" place.

I was afraid someone might say that. That my head was being bitten off because of the need to "jump back and forth replying to both threads", when the other thread has 9 entire posts in it.

I am not overreacting. I'm not being rude or belligerent. I am voicing opinions, which seem to be largely agreed with. These posts could be made in that other thread, but it really does seem to be more used so far for bug response. These aren't software malfunctions, they're just human issues.


And Gandalf, I'm not saying that all requests to take a discussion private are bad. When they are largely an argument/debate/whatever between 2 people, then sometimes it's best done in private. When it's a matter of "public order", then requests to take it private are generally just the easy way out to squelch dissent. I don't think it's strange to want to use a "forum" as a venue for public discussion.

Now, if the Admins wish to openly state that they no longer want the format or regulation of the forum to be discussed publicly at all - well, again, I do not think that solves any problems, not in the long term.

[lch]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

I was afraid someone might say that. That my head was being bitten off because of the need to "jump back and forth replying to both threads", when the other thread has 9 entire posts in it.

Now that I had the time to read through the entire thread I can tell you that it's even being linked to in the second page of this thread but you're right that this discussion thread seems to have taken over that role and the official thread is more like just an announcement.