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				 Re: MadWar - EA Alexander map, 12 players - Submit Pretenders 
 Alexander map is pretty big for 12 players. 10 land players with 247 land provinces? I think adding two land players will be better, as that brings us to 20 provinces/player, a typical setting for lots of leg rooms. But if recruiting is too much trouble, even 13 players are better than 12. |  
	
		
	
	
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				 Re: MadWar - EA Alexander map, 12 players - Submit Pretenders 
 konmingAlso, such setting is a pain for water nations as they get less provinces especially taking into account how water is distributed on Alexander. They'll have hard times, believe me.
 IMO it is more fair either to have more land nations or only one water nation
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					Originally Posted by ano  konmingAlso, such setting is a pain for water nations as they get less provinces especially taking into account how water is distributed on Alexander. They'll have hard times, believe me.
 IMO it is more fair either to have more land nations or only one water nation
 |  True. Out of 44 sea provinces, 10 are not connected to main water body, and since EA Oceania is not in play (it can simply crush all other water nations easily and early), I would guess adding 2 players is the wise thing to do. Since we have one on waiting list, and if ano is interested, we shall have our two.
 
With 12 land players and 2 water players, we have 20.5 province/land player and 17 province(main water part)/water player. Water nations typically get less province/player since they can reasonably expand on land. This map is full of narrow passes. So 20 province is a lot, most people will not find enemy capital within 5 provinces from his capital.
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 That's the third time I try to send my pretender and get no reply whatsoever from llamaserver...? |  
	
		
	
	
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					Originally Posted by ano  konmingAlso, such setting is a pain for water nations as they get less provinces especially taking into account how water is distributed on Alexander. They'll have hard times, believe me.
 IMO it is more fair either to have more land nations or only one water nation
 |  True. Out of 44 sea provinces, 10 are not connected to main water body, and since EA Oceania is not in play (it can simply crush all other water nations easily and early), I would guess adding 2 players is the wise thing to do. Since we have one on waiting list, and if ano is interested, we shall have our two.
 
With 12 land players and 2 water players, we have 20.5 province/land player and 17 province(main water part)/water player. Water nations typically get less province/player since they can reasonably expand on land. This map is full of narrow passes. So 20 province is a lot, most people will not find enemy capital within 5 provinces from his capital. |  This sounds reasonable. I dont mind adding two more. I won't if it will cause people to drop, otherwise I will make room for two more.
			
			
			
			
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					Originally Posted by ano  konmingAlso, such setting is a pain for water nations as they get less provinces especially taking into account how water is distributed on Alexander. They'll have hard times, believe me.
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 Don't count my post as opposition, I'm just happy with current number of players. I will be happy with 1-2 more too. |  
	
		
	
	
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		| You want in? If yes, who might you play if there are no overriding objections from the rest of the group? |  No, I don't, thanks. I'm pretty busy these days and engaged in two big games. 
Just posted an opinion.
 
And one more thing from the previous experience. If you want to make the game really interesting and balanced and don't want someone to win just because he had ton of space to expand to while some other good players were packed in a mountain range, I'd suggest you to manually distribute the starting locations. Yes, this will require some time to do but in the end you'll get much more fun and less disappointment. 
I know that because I already hosted 2 games on this map and second one seems to be much more fair in the sense of starting locations and thus requires more skill than luck to play efficiently.
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