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August 25th, 2008, 11:00 AM
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Re: Lovecrafting Atlantis.
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They've even got Lovecraft's geography down-moving from the depths of the ocean, to jungle blood cults
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(That´s why I love Late Age Mictlan  )
In that regard, I had this idea, not so much for Atlantis (althrough it could do) as for LA Mictlan. In Shadow over Innsmouth, the Marsh family (and before them, the island natives) had gotten wealthy because the Deep Ones gave them gold in exchange for sacrifices. I was thinking that Mictlan could have a blood&water spell, which would increase revenues in coastal provinces, but increasing the death scales as well.
I also had an idea for an Awake Tiamat spell for Atlantis. In the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian creation myth, Tiamat is the serpent goddess of the sea and primordial chaos.
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In the myth, the god Enki (later Ea) believed correctly that Apsu, upset with the chaos they created, was planning to murder the younger gods; and so slew him. This angered Kingu, their son, who reported the event to Tiamat, whereupon she fashioned monsters to battle the gods in order to avenge Apsu's death. These were her own offspring: giant sea serpents, storm demons, fish-men, scorpion-men and many others. Tiamat possessed the Tablets of Destiny, and in the primordial battle she gave them to Kingu, the god she had chosen as her lover and the leader of her host. The Gods gathered in terror, but Anu, (replaced later, first by Enlil and, in the late version that has survived after the First Dynasty of Babylon, by Marduk, the son of Ea), first extracting a promise that he would be revered as "king of the gods", overcame her, armed with the arrows of the winds, a net, a club, and an invincible spear.
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(bolded for relevance).
I was thinking of an Awake Tiamat spell, somewhat akin to the Illwinter spell. It would cause tidal waves in all coastal provinces at random, and spawn attacks by storm demons and scorpion men. The wording would be something around these lines
Awake Tiamat
This spell tries to rouse Tiamat, the ancient Serpent of Chaos and the Sea, from her eternal slumber. Even before the world came to be, Tiamat existed, and at first all creation was an eternal raging sea. However, the first Pantokrator defeated and binded her, creating the vault of Heaven and Earth. Legend says that the first Atlantians spawned from the blood shed by Tiamat during the struggle. By casting this spell the Pretender tries to arouse the ancient goddess from her slumber. Her actual awakening takes a long time, but even her stirrings will lead to massive tidal waves wrecking coastal provinces, and storm demons will writhe around the skies as harbingers of destruction.
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August 25th, 2008, 02:42 PM
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Re: Lovecrafting Atlantis.
"In that regard, I had this idea, not so much for Atlantis (althrough it could do) as for LA Mictlan. In Shadow over Innsmouth, the Marsh family (and before them, the island natives) had gotten wealthy because the Deep Ones gave them gold in exchange for sacrifices. I was thinking that Mictlan could have a blood&water spell, which would increase revenues in coastal provinces, but increasing the death scales as well.
I also had an idea for an Awake Tiamat spell for Atlantis. In the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian creation myth, Tiamat is the serpent goddess of the sea and primordial chaos.
From wikipedia
"In the myth, the god Enki (later Ea) believed correctly that Apsu, upset with the chaos they created, was planning to murder the younger gods; and so slew him. This angered Kingu, their son, who reported the event to Tiamat, whereupon she fashioned monsters to battle the gods in order to avenge Apsu's death. These were her own offspring: giant sea serpents, storm demons, fish-men, scorpion-men and many others. Tiamat possessed the Tablets of Destiny, and in the primordial battle she gave them to Kingu, the god she had chosen as her lover and the leader of her host. The Gods gathered in terror, but Anu, (replaced later, first by Enlil and, in the late version that has survived after the First Dynasty of Babylon, by Marduk, the son of Ea), first extracting a promise that he would be revered as "king of the gods", overcame her, armed with the arrows of the winds, a net, a club, and an invincible spear."
(bolded for relevance).
I was thinking of an Awake Tiamat spell, somewhat akin to the Illwinter spell. It would cause tidal waves in all coastal provinces at random, and spawn attacks by storm demons and scorpion men. The wording would be something around these lines
Awake Tiamat
This spell tries to rouse Tiamat, the ancient Serpent of Chaos and the Sea, from her eternal slumber. Even before the world came to be, Tiamat existed, and at first all creation was an eternal raging sea. However, the first Pantokrator defeated and binded her, creating the vault of Heaven and Earth. Legend says that the first Atlantians spawned from the blood shed by Tiamat during the struggle. By casting this spell the Pretender tries to arouse the ancient goddess from her slumber. Her actual awakening takes a long time, but even her stirrings will lead to massive tidal waves wrecking coastal provinces, and storm demons will writhe around the skies as harbingers of destruction."
These are both good ideas, Poopsi, but they're not moddable, unfortunately. Hopefully the Devs will take a look at them-I'd love to see Tiamat in the game-but I'm more concerned with things that can be added in by any interested parties. Not me, by the way, because I have enough on my plate, but for anybody with a little time on their hands, and an interest in the 'Cthulhu' Mythos, who's also interested in adding to the community mods. If a person who's new to modding wanted to do it as an educational tool, for example, that would be ideal.
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August 25th, 2008, 04:39 PM
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Re: Lovecrafting Atlantis.
I havent looked into it (there was a spell effect list somewhere, but I cant find it), but I thought that it might be possible, as they would sort of emulate the effects of riches from beneath and Illwinter.
However, my own attempts at spell modding have ended up working badly. My Pangaea "Carrion Festival" spell still doesn´t work (It spawns a lot of carrion which doesnt move due to lack of undead leadership. And manneads fail to show up  )
An alternative to the Riches from the Sea spell would be making it a summoning spell, and have it add an unmovable unit which increases productivity, but also death (and maybe unrest?) That´s a fairly straightfoward mod and doable without too much trouble.
In general, I think that the right path in doability is stick to special terrain units and regular summons. (unless someone knows how to make remotesummon spawn different units? or even add multiple effects to one spell?)
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