OT: Bible Discussion (Split from Real World Sensitivities)

[Bwaha]

I will start tomorrow. I'm too tired to start now. :

[Bwaha]

Okay, I'm ready to start. First let me say that these thoughts are mine and not any church doctrine. None of these thoughts are "gospel truth" or anything like that. I just wish to exchange thoughts. I wish that reason and logic will prevail in this discussion.


Lets start out granting that there are dimensions that are outside of normal perception. That being said lets continue, I posit that "god" is outside of the time stream. My perception of this is that "god" or the creator of all is holding the strands of the universe like a "cats cradle". I beleve that the folks with him are also outside of our here and now. There's some passages that indicate that this is the case, but I don't want to clutter this up with a bunch of bible qoutes. I will await your comments at this point.

[Tifone]

Originally Posted by Bwaha

I wish that reason and logic will prevail in this discussion.

Good. So let's start!

Originally Posted by Bwaha

Lets start out granting that there are dimensions that are outside of normal perception. That being said lets continue, I posit that "god" is outside of the time stream. My perception of this is that "god" or the creator of all is holding the strands of the universe like a "cats cradle". I beleve that the folks with him are also outside of our here and now. There's some passages that indicate that this is the case, but I don't want to clutter this up with a bunch of bible qoutes.

Ok. In the sake of the same reason and logic you called, I would ask you to prove all of those "beliefs" and "perceptions", as you called them yourself.
Of course you can believe everything you want and for me it's great, but where is the evidence of all this? How do you percieve this "god" or creator which stands somewhere in those dimensions out of the time and space, and why others don't?
Mind I'm not negating it could be true, but without evidence it is pretty much like believing in leprechauns and unicorns to me - things I wouldn't base my life on
And as you seem a reasonable and nice guy, I would ask you why do you believe all this and possibly (as your previous posts seem to suggest) why do you base your life on those beliefs.

Of course again read no attack in my points, I'm just asking - I think I should just stop saying this, it should be clear to everyone who has read 1% of this 3ad that I don't want to hurt or attack anyone, but it is true even that religious susceptibility is very hot these days

Best wishes, waiting for reply