OT: US Pres election

[JimMorrison]

Okay, Atrocities, your tirade makes it apparent that you haven't read the rest of the thread, including my previous posts.

And anyway, my quote from you had nothing to do with Palin specifically. You made the assertion that somehow Palin's election to Governor, was proof positive of her abilities. I was exasperated that anyone could claim that by sheer virtue of holding an office, someone is magically gifted with the ability to perform well.

Personally, I think Palin is in WAY over their head as a Governor, and has no business in the White House at all - in an official capacity.

And come Nov 2012 I will look to the Republican party to put forth a real challenger and vote freedom and nation first in the hopes that we will defeat him and his democratic cohorts and then restore the rights and privileges lost to us during his reign as Czar.

You have got to be kidding me, seriously. Rights and privileges? Like the right to not be covertly surveyed without a warrant? The right to due legal process? The right to travel on the same continent without being treated like a criminal? The right to earn enough money to even HAVE a quality of life? The right to not have your government co-opted by corporate interests, in a burgeoning police state?

Yeah. I should vote Republican too, the party of civil liberties, and fiscal sensibility.


(PS- I love our two party system where any yahoo can walk into this thread and see me bash Palin, and automatically think that I am in love with Obama. Might read the part where I'm not a Democrat, you fuzzy and likable person.)

[Atrocities]

Now JimMorrison, where in my post did I make the assertion or accusation that you were either Democrat or an Obama supporter?

And anyway, my quote from you had nothing to do with Palin specifically. You made the assertion that somehow Palin's election to Governor, was proof positive of her abilities. I was exasperated that anyone could claim that by sheer virtue of holding an office, someone is magically gifted with the ability to perform well.

I made the connection because I was speaking about Palin and it was pretty clear that your comment was meant to be condescending. I am not an idiot so please don't attempt to play me for one.

Personally, I think Palin is in WAY over their head as a Governor, and has no business in the White House at all - in an official capacity.

I again ask you to explain, if you will, why you believe this. Its your opinion, so put some effort into it and explain it. Do you believe that she is under qualified to be a Governor because she is a women, or perhaps because she has a down to earth way of talking? Does your pernicious opinion of her have anything to do with how the liberal bias media has been treating her and her reputation? Do you believe that she is somehow lacking in the intelligence department because she doesn't speak like those oh so unsuccessful politicians from Washington DC? I just want to know the reasoning behind your opinion. Is there a reason or is it simply that you dislike her because you believe everyone else does? Its your opinion, please explain it.

You have got to be kidding me, seriously. Rights and privileges?

I was, when commenting about rights and privileges, referring to the second amendment.

Like the right to not be covertly surveyed without a warrant? The right to due legal process?

I am no fan of the Patriot Act and fear that has the potential to be horribly abused. If you dislike someones point of view, and you're in the white house, you could simply invoke the Patriot Act and charge that person to whom you disagree with as being a domestic terrorist and have them shipped off to God only knows where. Bush, to the best of my knowledge, hasn't abused the Patriot act domestically and I would demand proof from you if you say that he has. And please, not far left propaganda, actual concrete physical proof.

[quote]The right to travel on the same continent without being treated like a criminal? The right to earn enough money to even HAVE a quality of life? [/quote[

Now its my turn to say really.

The only examples that I can find of people being treated like criminals for traveling on "the same continent" are the arrests of drug traffickers, illegal aliens, known felons, and those involved in criminal activities. Of course these people should have the right to travel wherever they want without being treated like criminals even though by most laws they are. But that might depend upon what you mean by traveling on the same continent..

As to the earning money aspect of your above comment, unless you are referring to criminals or illegal aliens not having the right to earn enough money to even have a quality of life, I cannot find any instances of anyone being barred or prohibited from working and earning a wage.

The right to not have your government co-opted by corporate interests, in a burgeoning police state?

A police state. If you honestly believe that we are now living in a burgeoning police state just wait until after Obama takes office. Under his administration you will see some of the most restrictive anti-freedom laws take affect from attacks on the first and second amendment, to limiting your mobility through higher taxes on vehicles, fuel, licenses, and so on. You are only as free as the distance you can afford to travel.

You are right, I haven't read every single post in this thread, I am working my way through it through, so I don't know everything there is to know about what you or others have said. You see it takes time to get up to speed when there is so much to go through. But rest assured I will work my way through it, kinda like Sarah Palin is now doing with Washington DC politics. So if I make a gaff, step on someones toes or unintentionally get a fact or two wrong, I offer up a preemptive apology.

[JimMorrison]

You not only walked into this thread completely belligerent, but you are purposefully obtuse, and now I am quite convinced that you are just pushing my buttons so that you can point your finger at me when this thread devolves even further.

I'm just glad that the people who think like you, are in fact a shrinking minority, while awareness and rational thought are becoming more and more popular these days.

I honestly can't believe you think I dislike Palin for being a woman. So glad I'm not your psychoanalyst.....

[Bwaha]

I'm truly saddened that the media has fanned the fires of hatred. Those of us who are Americans should be able to debate freely without being hated. I think we need to fire the news anchors that are trying to demonize the other side. Also we need to fire all politicians who have served a term. To be in politics successfully you have to have a machine and money behind you. This means they control the politicians actions. This must stop before we lose our fine nation. Bwaha

[Atrocities]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

You not only walked into this thread completely belligerent, but you are purposefully obtuse, and now I am quite convinced that you are just pushing my buttons so that you can point your finger at me when this thread devolves even further.

This isn't about you. There are two types of people in this world, those who do for others, and those who do for themselves. You fall into the latter category since you believe that this whole discussion is all about you.

I needn't remind you that it was you who responded to my posts in a condescending tone that did little more than identify you as a hot headed, ill informed, fatuous with poor impulse control.

I am merely expressing my opinion within an open discussion on a topic of interest. If you feel pressured by my questions than please don't respond to my posts with pernicious type comments and expect to get away free and clear without challenge.

As to the thread devolving any further, I think you should stop trying to play the victim and review your own incendiary comments before you try and float the asinine accusation that my comments are somehow devolving this thread.

I'm just glad that the people who think like you, are in fact a shrinking minority, while awareness and rational thought are becoming more and more popular these days.

I honestly can't believe you think I dislike Palin for being a woman. So glad I'm not your psychoanalyst.....

The one constant in the universe is that when liberals are faced with an opposing point of view, in most cases the that being the truth, they, instead of participating in an open discussion, choose to attack those who express differing opinions. Now you can say that you are not a liberal, but your words and actions say otherwise.

And for the record, I never stated that "I" thought that you dislike Sarah Palin because she is a women. I left it up to you to say for yourself.

Given the tone of your comments and the lack of a meaningful response, I am left to wonder if you possess the basic discussion skill set of an educated individual to express ones motives behind ones opinion in an articulate and meaningful manor. I am therefore going to do you a favor. I am going to tell you why it is that some people believe that Sarah Palin is under qualified to be the Veep let alone the President.

According to those educated individuals who chose to state specifically why it is that they feel Sarah Palin is not qualified to be commander and chief is because she lacks a command presence.

You should, with your limited tunnel vision, be able to take it from their. And in the future I suggest that you keep your elitist inspired condescending tone in check.

[llamabeast]

Originally Posted by Atrocities

This isn't about you. There are two types of people in this world, those who do for others, and those who do for themselves.

I thought almost by definition that "left wing" referred to the former. and "right wing" referred to the latter.

*takes cover*