OT: US Pres election

Gandalf Parker · #1 October 5th, 2008, 11:46 AM

I think that the democrats need to un-republican the country abit so I really want to vote that way.

But I must admit that I really like some of the sexy pictures of Palin. Particularly the swim suit video when she was competing in the beauty contest. (yeah I know, not good reasoning. But its not much worse than some Ive seen here)

Atrocities · #2 October 5th, 2008, 11:59 AM

I just want to see someone elected to office who really cares about the people first and foremost. Someone who won't erode our constitutional rights, anger our allies, lie to us, or rather pass a lie to us. A leader who, like Harry Truman, Teddy Roosevelt, or JFK, has character and takes the heat when it gets hot and comes out on top putting the nation and our way of life first. It doesn't matter to me if the person is rep dem or indy, a man or a women, or what race they are. I just want what we had before it was taken from us before its completely gone for good. My last blog kinda spells out how I feel.

PS, Jim, I am not trying to push any ones buttons. I played it a bit hot in my last post, a bit of tit for tat so to speak, but really all I originally intended was to state my point of view and explain my motives for my opinions. If that got under your skin and pushed your buttons, it wasn't my intention.

Bwaha · #3 October 5th, 2008, 03:11 PM

What ticks me off is the constant lies that are taught in our schools. For instance tail gunner Joe McCarthy is portrayed as a villain, I've had arguments with my buddy's and they claim he was a member of HUAC. Not so my friends, he was a senator. Also his claims of soviet infiltration of the state dept. are a matter of historical fact. If you don't believe me check into the Verona decrypts. Now I'm not red baiter, but I read a fascinating but very dry book. I will get the title to you later, but it is the memoirs of a GRU general. Lastly my late friend Ted was a devout Maoist. We argued constantly but loved each other regardless of our political positions.

JimMorrison · #4 October 5th, 2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Atrocities

I just want to see someone elected to office who really cares about the people first and foremost. Someone who won't erode our constitutional rights, anger our allies, lie to us, or rather pass a lie to us. A leader who, like Harry Truman, Teddy Roosevelt, or JFK, has character and takes the heat when it gets hot and comes out on top putting the nation and our way of life first. It doesn't matter to me if the person is rep dem or indy, a man or a women, or what race they are. I just want what we had before it was taken from us before its completely gone for good. My last blog kinda spells out how I feel.

PS, Jim, I am not trying to push any ones buttons. I played it a bit hot in my last post, a bit of tit for tat so to speak, but really all I originally intended was to state my point of view and explain my motives for my opinions. If that got under your skin and pushed your buttons, it wasn't my intention.

Thank you. I also apologize if my criticism of Palin as a political figure was harsh. If I had to put my finger on my problem with her (beyond the fact that she doesn't seem intelligent or informed at all), it's her religion. Not her specific religion - I would just like to see someone in our highest office that doesn't put their god, or conception of god first. I want someone who is not a Christian, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a Buddhist, as both our President, and VP. I want them to put their country first - not their faith.

Agema · #5 October 5th, 2008, 05:48 PM

The US is supposed to be a free democracy: that means people should have freedom of views, and the free speech to express those views.

That Communists were trying to infiltrate the USA is irrelevant. The fact is that many of McCarthy's victims had done nothing wrong, he had no adequate evidence they'd done anything wrong, yet he ruined their lives, many even had to leave the USA. He did so because they had merely the barest of links to left-wing thought. He was a vicious bully; he was thought police; he was a force of oppression. That's why he is a villain, and even he caught as much as a whole spy ring he'd still be a villain.

Bwaha · #6 October 5th, 2008, 10:22 PM

Dear Agema, it was a group of house members that did this. Huac was a over-reaction. McCarthy was not a part of it. Historical fact. That you were taught this is exactly what I object to. Its not your fault that you've been taught untruths. I blame the teachers. Not all teachers indoctrinate their students, but rather teach them to think. These I approve of.

Agema · #7 October 6th, 2008, 06:05 AM

I wasn't taught McCarthy was part of HUAC.

He was a public face of anti-Communist hysteria, and I don't doubt he had indirect influence on them. He was chairman of committees which investigated public officials and devastated them without evidence, and carried out all sorts of horrors against free society, like banning books.

Frankly, it's abhorrent he should be rehabilitated. Particularly by the sorts of authors who normally rage about historical revisionism when it stands up for the left wing. But some people don't let hypocrisy get in the way.

It's a disgrace that people like Ann Coulter talk about liberals as "traitors". There can be nothing more narrow-minded, intolerant and socially divisive than to suggest people with differing political views are betraying the state. That is support for authoritarian rule, virtually indistinguishable from the sorts of things the Nazi and Soviet regimes did.

If that is what is acceptable policy for Republicans, then the party should be damned worldwide as a hotbed of fascism and unfit to exert any power in the free world. Thankfully though, I believe most Republicans find it as horrific and unacceptable as most of the rest of us.