OT: US Pres election

capnq · #1 October 17th, 2008, 09:24 AM

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Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth into a small section of society who control capital, and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly.

...And this is a very, very, oh so wicked belief, because... ?

Because it removes most of the incentive to create more wealth to distribute "evenly". Because the people who decide how to distribute the wealth invariably siphon off a larger "equal" share than the people who don't make the decisions.

A soon as you have even one person who isn't satisfied with the "equal" share the government decides is "fair", socialism starts to fail. Socialism fails because it ignores basic human nature.

Tifone · #2 October 17th, 2008, 02:45 PM

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Because it removes most of the incentive to create more wealth to distribute "evenly". Because the people who decide how to distribute the wealth invariably siphon off a larger "equal" share than the people who don't make the decisions.

You are talking about a total different matter than mine. This is the corruption of this system (expecially you're thinking about URSS I suppose) and I was talking about the belief at the base of the system.

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A soon as you have even one person who isn't satisfied with the "equal" share the government decides is "fair", socialism starts to fail. Socialism fails because it ignores basic human nature.

If 2000 years ago I would have said you "hey, you know what I think it's wrong? That the men has an upper hand on the women in social roles! I mean, we're equal! And is wrong that we kill/crucify/lapidate/incinerate people because of their different religion/race/sexual orientation!" you would have said that I was ignoring the basic human nature of supremacy of the strong male on the weak female and the holiness of the rules that were used to bind us to kill people. Now you say they were against it (I hope). Think if in 1000 years people will think it was fair that in this time, 1/4 of humanity were eating up to explode, and 3/4 of were starving to death, because our "human nature" is against an equal distribution, capnq.

capnq · #3 October 20th, 2008, 06:52 AM

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A soon as you have even one person who isn't satisfied with the "equal" share the government decides is "fair", socialism starts to fail. Socialism fails because it ignores basic human nature.

If 2000 years ago I would have said you "hey, you know what I think it's wrong? That the men has an upper hand on the women in social roles! I mean, we're equal! And is wrong that we kill/crucify/lapidate/incinerate people because of their different religion/race/sexual orientation!" you would have said that I was ignoring the basic human nature of supremacy of the strong male on the weak female and the holiness of the rules that were used to bind us to kill people. Now you say they were against it (I hope). Think if in 1000 years people will think it was fair that in this time, 1/4 of humanity were eating up to explode, and 3/4 of were starving to death, because our "human nature" is against an equal distribution, capnq.

No, I am not saying they were against it then. But I don't believe historical societies should be judged solely by modern standards.

In 1000 years, I expect historians will consider our era the beginning of the Second Dark Ages.