The election is finally over...

[capnq]

Originally Posted by Agema

it seems you think the rest of the "free world" are bastions of intolerance, tyranny, and corruption.

Do you think people of such nations would appreciate that implication?

Of course they wouldn't appreciate it, but that doesn't make it any less true. I can't think of a single country, INCLUDING the USA, that doesn't fit that description. Different countries only vary by degree, not kind. It's the basic human condition.

[Agema]

I think that's based on a semantic difference.

If I get you right, you are suggesting that as long as some corruption of any level exists in an object, it must be called corrupt. In which case yes, every nation and every person in the world is corrupt.

I'd approach it from a view that once a certain point is reached on a spectrum, you may as well apply a relevant adjective. For instance, a colour that is 85% pure blue and 15% pure red is not totally blue, but if you mix it and look at the result, you'd call it blue.

[Gandalf Parker]

Gee I was hoping he might give a few rights back to us.

[Atrocities]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker

Gee I was hoping he might give a few rights back to us.

Don't hold your breath GP. Once they are gone, they're gone. What gets me kinda confused are the people who get mad about wire tapping incoming calls from suspected terrorists to US, yet these same people say nothing about their ISP keeping logs of visited web sites, or email providers keeping every email ever sent or received on file forever, or instant messengering messages are logged forever. Not to mention where the hell were these privacy advocates when Sarah Palin's email accounts were hacked and her family info was posted on line for all to see. She had nothing to do with the patriot act which was voted into law by a Democratic congress.

[Bwaha]

Be sure you coat the primer and the neck of your bullets with nail polish before stashing them. That way the moisture won't wreck the powder.

[Azselendor]

Originally Posted by Atrocities

Don't hold your breath GP. Once they are gone, they're gone. What gets me kinda confused are the people who get mad about wire tapping incoming calls from suspected terrorists to US, yet these same people say nothing about their ISP keeping logs of visited web sites, or email providers keeping every email ever sent or received on file forever, or instant messengering messages are logged forever. Not to mention where the hell were these privacy advocates when Sarah Palin's email accounts were hacked and her family info was posted on line for all to see. She had nothing to do with the patriot act which was voted into law by a Democratic congress.

A few things here that needs fixing.

The patriot act was passed into law with a majority republican congress (in both houses) and a spineless democratic minority.

ISP's were smart enough to put tracking software and oversight into place early on in development -- unlike phone and cable which only recently did so.

Sarah Palin's email account underscores a general issue at all levels of government. Foreign powers frequently access US gov't email and firewalls at all levels because of poor password protections and crappierunderstanding of basic security. Recent airforce cyber-counter-intellegence recruitment ads underscore that. Hell, how many gov't laptops needs to be lost before someone realizes that information shouldn't be on something I can walk away with. Let's store all data on a UNIVAC and see if someone can steal that!

I have no sympathy for people with bad passwords who get hacked.

[Gandalf Parker]

Ive been a part of ISPs from day one. Before WWW, or even PCs. Believe me, such logging has always been a part of it. Its a basic part of how internet has always been managed and enforced. No ISP ever chose not to do it. At least not for long. I remember some that tried and were forced by the net to start logging.

[Azselendor]

If the ISP's didn't log, they'd never be on top of the lolcats attempting to spread their way into the real world.

[lch]

Somebody else wrote this on another forum that I visit, following the reports of people everywhere going out of the buildings and into the streets, celebrating, which are better words than I'll probably come up with:

THIS is one reason why I voted for him, despite my disagreements with some of his policy. This level of excitement. You're witnessing America excited again, hopeful again, feeling that we can throw off the shackles of the last eight years. Man, this just goes beyond ideology. Racial barriers broken, it's just a hell of a thing to be able to witness.

[Atrocities]

Originally Posted by lch

Somebody else wrote this on another forum that I visit, following the reports of people everywhere going out of the buildings and into the streets, celebrating, which are better words than I'll probably come up with:

It was a revolution. Out with the corrupted old and in with the promise of change by the new. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.