Did you know that? (Dominions trivia)

[Fate]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

...Forge of the Ancients counts BEFORE forge bonus? If the forge bonus came first, a 15% forge bonus on a 5 gem item would round down to 4 gems, and then Forge of the Ancients would halve that to 2 gems. Instead, Forge halves the cost from 5 to 2, and then a 15% bonus on top rounds down to 1.

It's also possible to forge items for free, if you can get the cost below 1. (It's almost never worth doing so, though.)

-Max

Are you sure it doesn't just stack?

50% FoA + 15% hammer = 65% off of 5 gems = 1.75 rounded down to 1 gems.

and for 8 gem ring of wizardry
50% FoA + 15% hammer + 20% site bonus = 85% off of 55 gems = 8.25 rounded down to 8 gems?

I haven't actually tested any of this, but I do know that natural construction bonus (such as on dwarven smiths) stacks w/ the hammer, so I would think FoA and site bonuses would as well.


Another one:
Construction bonus from the dwarven hammer applies to the cost of rituals and even globals, like FoA and Mechanical Militia.

So you could get a 64 gem FoA and follow it with a sub-40 gem mechanical militia!

[vfb]

Originally Posted by Fate

Another one:
Construction bonus from the dwarven hammer applies to the cost of rituals and even globals, like FoA and Mechanical Militia.

So you could get a 64 gem FoA and follow it with a sub-40 gem mechanical militia!

Are you sure about that? I just tested the Mechanical Men ritual, and there was no difference in gem cost whether wielding or not wielding a hammer.

I though the only thing that affected both ritual casting cost and item construction cost is magic sites with a Const discount.

[MaxWilson]

...Lifelong Protection only summons imps while the "wielder" is conscious?

-Max

[JimMorrison]

[quote=Fate;655096]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

Are you sure it doesn't just stack?

50% FoA + 15% hammer = 65% off of 5 gems = 1.75 rounded down to 1 gems.

and for 8 gem ring of wizardry
50% FoA + 15% hammer + 20% site bonus = 85% off of 55 gems = 8.25 rounded down to 8 gems?

It is definitely not stacking, it is sequential. Because it is sequential, it matters not what the order is.

Anyway, if it were additive, FoA+Hammer would put a 25 gem item to 6 gems, but they will in fact be 9 gems every time.

[Gregstrom]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

It is definitely not stacking, it is sequential. Because it is sequential, it matters not what the order is.

Actually, I think it does. From my testing with the Steel Ovens, hammers and Forge up, I got results that only worked if rounding happened after each step in the sequence.

Prime example: You have The Steel Ovens, Forge and a Dwarven Hammer. You forge a Horror Helm. Applying the Forge puts cost to 5, then the Ovens for 4, then the hammer for 3. In game, the cost is 2 gems. To get this result, you must be rounding down between steps of the sequence, and you can't apply the Steel Ovens bonus first.

[chrispedersen]

It does round down between steps.

[JimMorrison]

That's an excellent point, I wasn't thinking of the rounding ripple effects.