Star Trek XI

[TurinTurambar]

I happen to know JJ Abrams and he's nothing of the sort. He honestly cares a great deal about what he produces and I'm looking forward to this film.

Bait and switch? No, and this sounds like sour grapes, BK. It's going to be an entertaining film, and staying with "what's been working so far" is not what Star Trek needs. It hasn't been working; it's been weak.

Reboot = Good. Look at BSG-RIS. Brilliant, and now much more relevant.

Not flaming, just saying.
Peace out,
TT

[Black_Knyght]

My comment about "Bait and Switch" is a bit more valid than you may realize, as are what maybe seems to be my "Sour Grapes".

I'm a huge movie aficionado (having personally worked peripherally in the industry) as well as a big Star Trek fan, and generally try to attend a variety of Sci-Fi and Movie related conventions. Having attended a couple of the conventions that J.J Abrams and Paramount also attended, I managed to catch their presentations concerning the new movie. During their question and answer periods concerning the new movie they made certain things clear to the fans present.

1) - This new movie was to be a tie-in between the existing ST-Ent and ST-TOS, finally interconnecting all the ST franchises.

2) - They'd be going to great lengths to maintain the existing storyline canon and continuity.

3) - They'd be developing the early days of existing characters and their original individual back-stories, in relation to how they came together aboard the Enterprise.

They garnered a lot of praise and applause for these declarations.

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Fast forward a bit to recent days, and now we're told it's not really any of the above listed things at all, they're rewriting everything, and ignoring "canon" and "continuity" altogether. It's actually a reboot of the franchise, intended to break new ground and aimed at a new generation of fans - Hehehe, sorry lads!

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to a relaunch of the franchise. I loved what they did with BSG and even Batman. I'd have had no trouble with that concept for Star Trek at all.

What I don't like is being played, or lied to. Telling me one thing, quite clearly and in person, then later saying it was actually something else all along grates on my nerves. I'd have supported a relaunch if that's what they said they were doing. I'm not thrilled with having my expectations built up for one thing, only to find out later that was all bunk and something different was actually planned all along.

[TurinTurambar]

Originally Posted by Black_Knyght

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to a relaunch of the franchise. I loved what they did with BSG and even Batman. I'd have had no trouble with that concept for Star Trek at all.

What I don't like is being played, or lied to. Telling me one thing, quite clearly and in person, then later saying it was actually something else all along grates on my nerves. I'd have supported a relaunch if that's what they said they were doing. I'm not thrilled with having my expectations built up for one thing, only to find out later that was all bunk and something different was actually planned all along.

Fine. Understood.

[Black_Knyght]

After re-reading my posts, it occurs to me I might sound a bit hostile.

Just to be clear - I meant no hostility with any of my replies. I'm just trying to be as clear as possible about my points.

[Randallw]

Originally Posted by TurinTurambar

I happen to know JJ Abrams and he's nothing of the sort.

yeah, and Joss Whedon is my cousin


ps. This isn't a joke.

[Atrocities]

Originally Posted by Randallw

yeah, and Joss Whedon is my cousin


ps. This isn't a joke.

Then tell him to get off his *** and make more Serenity films!

[Black_Knyght]

Bravo and well-said, AT, to all of the above !!!

[Randallw]

Originally Posted by Atrocities

Then tell him to get off his *** and make more Serenity films!

Well my side of the family doesn't talk to his, not being on speaking terms and all that. Besides he's the American side of the family and I'm Australian.

Being at risk of letting the joke (or not joke) go too far I suppose I should explain. It went like this.

Family Genealogist: Do you know Joss Whedon?
Myself: Well not personally,[ramble] I mean I've heard of him. Can't say as I've liked any of his programs, except there was that epsiode I did actually watch where the main character got turned into a muppet, oh and I paid attention once when I saw a bit of his sci-fi thing which had nice big office block ships. The program itself was terrible, I mean cowboys in space , a star system with hundreds of planets [/ramble]. Anyway, to answer your question, yes I know of him.
FG: He's your 6th cousin.
Me: [disinterested]humph[/disinterested].

If I ever met him face to face we wouldn't get on well, seeing as how the more I learn about him the less I like him. I just find it mildly ammusing to say we're related. Techncially we are but it's practically meaningless, except as a bit of a joke


interesting fact, Gerorge W. Bush and John Kerry are 9th cousins