OOB 15 ANZAC – Ford Dingo

[DRG]

Originally Posted by TDR

In the ANZAC OOB, spob15, you have listed the Ford Dingo. It is listed as a being available from 6/42 to 12/49.

This is for:
Unit #115 Ford Dingo - Scout Vehicle and
Unit #149 Ford Dingo - FO Vehicle

I was under strong impressions it was withdrawn from service well before 1949 as it was replaced by the Canadian Lynx, not the UK Dingo.

From the Australian War Memorial:
“The 'Car, Scout (Aust) Dingo' arose out of a requirement in early 1941 to equip the Australian Army with a scout car which was locally built as procurement from overseas allies was unlikely during the early stages of the Second World War. The design incorporated commercially available components together with a locally produced all-welded Australian Bullet Proof (ABP) 3 armour plated hull. A total of 245 vehicles were built between late 1941 and early 1943 when production ceased due to the unsatisfactory performance of the vehicle. Futher modifications and development was halted in favour of imported Lynx Scout Cars from Canada. The Dingo Scout Car served mainly with the Australian armoured divisions as a training vehicle. It had a crew of 2, carried a Wireless Set No.19 Mark 2 and was armed with a Bren Light Machine Gun.”

This link suggest it was out of service by end of year 1944
http://www.mheaust.com.au/Aust/Research/Austanks.htm


On a slightly different point but with the same vehicle:
The Icon for Unit 149 would reflect the vehicle, Ford Dingo, quite well.
The Icon for Unit 115 seems to reflect a vehicle closer to that of the Canadian Lynx or UK Dingo.
Is it a small possibility that the icon for Unit 115 got mixed up a bit?

Just thought the Ford Dingo should have an availability from 6/42 to 12/43 and also Unit 115 should have the vehicle icon as used for unit 149.

It was you who mentioned the Ford Dingo on the first place over two years ago and it's been in that OOB since V2 was release in March 2007.

Yes, the Icon is wrong for unit 115. The icon for 149 was specifically put into the game to represent the Ford Dingo and nothing else so yes, that's the one it should be. I apologize for missing this, along with everyone else it seems, for 21 months. Had this report come in a day earlier it would have been fixed but it didn't so change Unit #115 to Icon number 3248.

As for out of service date you provide conflicting data. On one hand we have 12/43 and on the other another source says...... " out of service by end of year 1944". The truth is probably somewhere in between and it seems the vehicle only saw extremely limited service in any event so 6/44 works for me.

So the Canadian Lynx replaced this ? Great. When ? Let's get that sorted out now.

Don

[TDR]

I will see what I can extract from the RAAC museum, though at this time of year things run slowly.

[TDR]

All I have got so far is in the zipped PDF attachement.
I have not as yet got a reply from the RAAC Museum.

Note there are 2 main types of Ford Armoured/Scout Car.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by TDR

All I have got so far is in the zipped PDF attachement.
I have not as yet got a reply from the RAAC Museum.

Note there are 2 main types of Ford Armoured/Scout Car.

It's a given now this thing was a stop gap and didn't really do much of anything except help train people so it's essentially a waste of time having it in a combat game but it's there now and we'll work around that.


QUOTE:

In all some 245 Dingo scout cars (registration numbers 77001-77246) were manufactured, and served with the Australian Army until superseded by the Canadian Mk.3* Lynx I scout car in
1944.



QUOTE:

The Dingo scout car, unfortunately, was a flawed vehicle.......................the weight of the vehicle (at some 4.7tons when fully equipped) severely restricted off-road performance such that the type was more or less limited to roads or hard surfaces.


So we know it was superceded by the Canadian Mk.3 Lynx I scout car in 1944 so 12/43 would be too early and the 6/44 I have in now as "guesstimate" is probably closer to reality and that would probably be a safe start date for the Lynx

We also know that it wasn't very good cross country so the moveclass sould be 2 ( wheeled ) not 3 ( AT wheeled ) to better reflect it's reality

Don

[TDR]

Fine.

[TDR]

Originally Posted by DRG

It was you who mentioned the Ford Dingo on the first place over two years ago and it's been in that OOB since V2 was release in March 2007.

Yes, the Icon is wrong for unit 115. The icon for 149 was specifically put into the game to represent the Ford Dingo and nothing else so yes, that's the one it should be. I apologize for missing this, along with everyone else it seems, for 21 months. Had this report come in a day earlier it would have been fixed but it didn't so change Unit #115 to Icon number 3248.

As for out of service date you provide conflicting data. On one hand we have 12/43 and on the other another source says...... " out of service by end of year 1944". The truth is probably somewhere in between and it seems the vehicle only saw extremely limited service in any event so 6/44 works for me.

So the Canadian Lynx replaced this ? Great. When ? Let's get that sorted out now.

Don

Don,
It may have been 2 years ago.
I have just started on a new project and in building a Table of Equipment and Structures reference, I was using your ANZAC OOB as a cross reference for dates as it tends be reasonably accurate. It was then I noticed this issue.

I was not nor intending to point at people for errors. It would appear we all missed it for one reason or another. Further as most of my games are jungle this is not a vehicle I would use. None of these Armoured or Scout Cars left Australia.