Curious about Dominions? how the AI thinks? which AI is best/worst? - Page 3

Gandalf Parker · #1 January 11th, 2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by VedalkenBear

Now, I don't know much about the various switches involved, but... is it possible to manually set up a game, record the initial positions, and then set all the players to AIs, record what AI they receive, and use this utility to get the information?

Hmmmmmm....
thats abit of a mix between the games I do, and pbem games that Im not well versed in. But it might be possible. Do a pbem start (sets up then quits), followed by superhosting after that.

Gandalf Parker · #2 January 11th, 2009, 10:42 AM

Wow. The latest Mid_AI test has run all night. Its too bad that the SuperStats stops recording at turn 200. That was fine when there were few nations but now thats definetly not the "game as good as over" point.

At turn 200 it was:

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Stats turn 200 for game 'Mid_AIs'
Ermor 		 provinces 37 	 inc 690
Man 		 provinces 47 	 inc 2464
Ulm 		 provinces 4 	 inc 76
Marignon 	 provinces 52 	 inc 2369
Machaka 	 provinces 30 	 inc 792
Agartha 	 provinces 54 	 inc 2063
Caelum 		 provinces 7 	 inc 605
Shinuyama 	 provinces 1 	 inc 3
Ashdod 		 provinces 4 	 inc 23
R'lyeh 		 provinces 65 	 inc 2617

And I might have bet on Marignon or Rlyeh. Maybe Agartha.

When I went to bed the provinces were at
Agartha: 116
Machaka: 81
R'lyeh: 54
Man: 50
I would have bet that in a couple of hours Agartha was going to win with Rlyeh coming in second (just because the water nation tends to be the last taken out)

I wake up and its
Man: 106
Machaka: 97
Agartha: 95
Rlyeh: 0

Man in the lead.

Now 20 minutes later its Machaka in the lead 112 to Mans 99 and Agarthas 88.

Another interesting point is that the SuperStats shows
Man (ai 2 type 3)
Machaka (ai 2 type 2)
Agartha (ai 2 type 1)
Man is playing with aggressive AI, Machaka with defensive AI, and Agartha is with standard (middle of the road) AI.

Gandalf Parker · #3 January 11th, 2009, 03:09 PM

This Mid test is going to take 2 days to finish it looks like.
760 turns in and its:
Man: 137 playing aggressive AI
Machaka: 102 playing defensive AI
Agartha: 60 playing standard AI

Gandalf Parker · #4 January 11th, 2009, 11:57 PM

Wow this Mid test is still running.
Turn 883
Indepts 6
Man 155
Machaka 101
Agartha 40

Man and Machaka keep back and forth in first place position.
Man has more forts, Mahaka has more gems, Agartha has more research.
Interesting that Indepts are holding onto 6 provinces. They have an army size of 896 and climbing.

lch · #5 January 12th, 2009, 04:44 AM

Turn 883 and the independents still have 6 provinces? The AI really doesn't know how to play this game.

Loren · #6 January 12th, 2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lch

Turn 883 and the independents still have 6 provinces? The AI really doesn't know how to play this game.

Probably random events.

vfb · #7 January 12th, 2009, 06:44 AM

Even worse, they haven't maxxed research yet.

Gandalf Parker · #8 January 12th, 2009, 10:52 AM

Indepts got to having 1006 units in 5 provinces. It might have been a smart AI to not tackle it if it wasnt a province it had to go thru. I see one of the Special Monsters got 8 units on the board and kept them till the end of the game.
The game ended at 921 turns with Man the winner. Indepts still had 2 provinces and 462 units. But since they werent needed for a win I guess its no big deal that Man left them.

I would love to have seen the turn before that. It went from
Man: 185 provinces and 16836 units
Machaka: 114 provinces and 7461 units
in one turn to Man being the winner. It might have been a taking of Machaka's capital and killing its god but since Machaka was playing defensive AI Im guessing it had a lot of army there.

Loren · #9 January 12th, 2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker

Indepts got to having 1006 units in 5 provinces. It might have been a smart AI to not tackle it if it wasnt a province it had to go thru. I see one of the Special Monsters got 8 units on the board and kept them till the end of the game.
The game ended at 921 turns with Man the winner. Indepts still had 2 provinces and 462 units. But since they werent needed for a win I guess its no big deal that Man left them.

I would love to have seen the turn before that. It went from
Man: 185 provinces and 16836 units
Machaka: 114 provinces and 7461 units
in one turn to Man being the winner. It might have been a taking of Machaka's capital and killing its god but since Machaka was playing defensive AI Im guessing it had a lot of army there.

There's only one way that could happen--dominion kill. You can never take a castle in less than two turns.

Gandalf Parker · #10 January 12th, 2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Loren

There's only one way that could happen--dominion kill. You can never take a castle in less than two turns.

I have to go do some things now but I will try and look later to see what the last couple of turns were like. They went to 0 then up to 3 so they broke out at least once.

Maybe I should also "roll" the stats.txt to sequential copies also with the scoreboards. Its not much use since it only records who is AI (or human player) each turn. But it would record the actual turn that the AI "killed" a nation from the game.