Yomi 3.21

[KissBlade]

Right. I should probably disclaimer the whole thing with it's a HUGE rock paper scissors game. To suggest that Yomi can just field direct counters to Caelum is silliness because it completely nullifies the point of a strategy game. Ironically enough, what it comes down to is how well Caelum deals with your chaff because Caelum is /excellent/ at dealing with single target threats. But at that point, it really comes down to who deploys the tools better, you or your opponent.

Baalz is completely correct in that Caelum played flexibly will still cause you a lot of trouble. (As many competitive nations should, Caelum being one) For example, you are fielded to counter Caelum's seraph spam, however, he swaps it up with you. Suddenly you're up against an army of mass flying archers with wind guided, quickened, and possibly if he has the pretender for it with flaming arrows. Even under darkness, enough projectiles in the air will hit something. (especially if he's not using storm). His front lines are mammoth mixed with pale riders all suitably buffed. Your counters are suddenly going to be a /lot/ different than the ones I've listed above.

And I'll repeat again, if you are out researched, out gemmed and outincomed, you've been outplayed. There is nothing to gain from that. (You could've also been really unlucky but then diplomacy is usually your best method of recovery rather than open battle)

[rdonj]

Well, in the game I'm referring to I started sandwiched on a side between niefelheim and ulm. After a long period of peace that I shouldn't have gone through but did because I am a bit too peaceful for my own good, I attacked ulm. I was halfway or so through killing ulm when caelum, who was in a very open area and had just been playing with a nation that went AI for a while, decided to attack me. I finished off ulm while madly forging items and grabbed for the diplomacy stick. A few turns later, the diplomacy stick broke as another nation decided to attack the one helping me (the only other nation bordering caelum), so now I am pretty much stuck fighting them on my own. I'm pretty much holding my own, but this turn he brought in an air queen with full elemental resistances that I'm not quite sure what to do about. I have a few ideas but one of the biggest problems I'm encountering is simply a lack of mobility. I don't have the air paths to forge boots of flying and the terrain is pretty rough, so the fairly small number of dai oni I have are going to have trouble getting to it to try and bring it down.

I think the game in question would be a fun one to watch if two expert players were given command of mine and my opponent's nations, but I suspect my position is not one terribly likely to survive Anyway I'm getting a bit off topic so I'll try not to go on about my game anymore.