Max values/game mechanics question

[harlikwin]

Well most of my questions are coming from many hours of "testing" because the results I'm getting are somewhat counter intuitive to me.

MY conclusions are that stab ratings greater than 6 don't matter much at all. Same for RF rating greater than 22. Same for survivability capped at 6. Vision greater than 50-60 just seems to extend range but doesn't help with spotting or anything like that.

FC seems to get better but not really that much more relative to the 40-50 values the high end units have now. I have units that move 45hexes, and can't hit anything at the end of that with FC's in the 70-80's.

As for HE pen I can't really figure it out, it seems really really variable. I have weapons with HE pen 200 that kill afv's with armor in the 30-100 (KE) about 1/2 to 1/3 of the time.

Also I can't figure out how to make FO's with the GPS guided tag that I've seen pop up.

[Imp]

Firstly read how stuff works HE ratings that big how bigs your warhead size to
If your going to test you can only change one thing at a time so buy a tank with FC 22 change to 95 do 50 or so firings when its stationary & when its moved say 4 12 & 20 MP all versus same size targets at same 2-3 ranges. Now you can make sense of it by comparing it to the original.

[harlikwin]

I've done most of the FC testing as you describe. The main issue seems to be that once movement gets up to a certain point accuracy really falls off. I may play with the accuracy ratings next to see if that helps.

As for the HE thanks for the clue on warhead size. FWIW what I'm finding in the mobhack docs seems dated so sometimes Its not clear what to take from it.

[Imp]

No probs but guessed it was a speed thing, I don't bother doing tests ( low boredom threshold) but for what you are doing I would suggest using the clone function as that means you can set the experience & they will all have the same. You will get a good idea how it works though doing what you are.

[harlikwin]

Thanks Imp, I didn't realize there was a clone function! (new to some of this)

At this point I'm trying to "rough-in" some basic parameters for Hammers slammers mod I'm trying to resurrect.

The HE pen issue was me trying to use one ammo type to represent plasma weapons. It doesn't seem to work so its heat and HE for all.

[Imp]

So if you are going to muck about with weapons why don't you give most AP & HE as use kinetic armour & HEAT for plasma or some such that can be shielded. So stuff with no shield has both armours the same & stuff with shielding has high HEAT armour to represent. Or work something out with ERA armour setting it to 8 or 9 so it protects well for a few hits. Biggest Warhead size you can for tactical nuke or area effect weapon perhaps with limited shots. Or a weapon that causes very low casulties but major suppression in an area. Use truck movement (not 4WD) for stuff without good cross country ability etc etc.
Can't see how you can go about modding without at least scanning docs to see how things work mind.

[harlikwin]

Hi Imp,

Basically I'm currently modeling plasma type weapons as HEAT, I was trying to do it all with HE.

HyperKineticPenetrators will get to be sabot/AP

I'm still not sure on lasers, but it will likely be similar to plasma with a much smaller warhead size and better accuracy or something like that. I'm open to suggestions. The main issue with doing these as HEAT is reactive armor which I'm doing as well. I may have to do them as AP.

[Marek_Tucan]

[quote=harlikwin;679614
The HE pen issue was me trying to use one ammo type to represent plasma weapons. It doesn't seem to work so its heat and HE for all.[/QUOTE]

Remember that absent HE ammo, unit will fire HEAT on soft targets, so you may be well enough with just pure-HEAT armament to represent plasma

[Imp]

Don't commit the cardianl sin if you are going to mod it think about it & produce something thats a bit diffrent. Music covering someone elses song is the cardinal sin unless you put your own spin on it whats the point.
To do this you either have to do loads of tests or read to grasp the basics like what does ERA actually stop?
Simple things future tech better targeting why not set to hit to 150% in the prefs.
Diffrent weapons maybe something that hits big but has major range restrictions 3-9 hexes only. APCR could be set up to deal huge damage but have a very short range to represent burst fire up close or something.
Your bike infantry question they are more fragile generally but you could use these guys to represent poor battle armour because of that. Loads of other ideas these just come to mind without thinking about it think outside the box.

[harlikwin]

Does the HEAT use the HE kill value?