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Old June 13th, 2002, 05:41 PM

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Ironchicken,

To answer your question, this is a quote from the bottom of the game description:

"Version V1.67 (Gold Patch 1) Turns will be fully automatic with a 36 hour duration. 6 players minimum to start the game 9 players would be ideal."
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Old June 14th, 2002, 03:33 AM
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Oh! Arr...
... Again?!

another "Age of Reason"? mk2.

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Do you mind if I borrow some of your ideas? BTW, I like it, sign me up.
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Old June 14th, 2002, 06:29 AM

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Atrocities,

Feel free to borrow any of my ideas you like. If you wish to join I will create this game Saturday June 15, 2002 sometime in the afternoon. ( Day after tomorrow).

Please note - the game description may be subject to some minor changes based on what I find here in this forum thread.

The tentative name for the game is "1st Darwin's Legacy".

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Dreamplace,

What you see here is the next Age of Reason type game. A heavily revised sequel improving on the first.

Some of the changes you see here are based on my and your misunderstandings. (And do not worry I hold no hard feelings.)

I realize language can be a barrier to understanding things so I have attempted to clean up the description and express my ideas more clearly.

For example the name change to "Darwin's Legacy" noted above. I did not want a player to misunderstand the game objectives by drawing a false impression from the name alone.

Having been in the 1st, a couple of key things to note especially for you:

* The new revised and improved council rules. Hopefully, they are much clearer in objective now. Also the thread is open to other things now instead of just votes.

* Eliminating engine and weapon overloading weapons. (The next patch makes significant changes in how they function so it is easiest to do away with them for this game.)

* Note the emphasis on the importance of race background and story. After all how can an actor play a role if they have no character? How could a writer create a worthwhile story with no character?

* Did away with neutrals. Their is no real way to guarantee "equal access" to them on the map without creating my own.

* I would advise rereading the description carefully. Some small details are altered.

* Diplomacy is still important. But note the *treaty restrictions.* This is not a team based game. (But, the council provides for an exception.)

If you wish to play in the second game you are welcome. I noted when I intend to create the game above. I intend to send out a news message tonight regarding it and other stuff.

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Imperator Fyron,

I understand your concern over limiting e-mail diplomacy. You point out a good benefit to it.

However, for a story based game:

1) It forces the players to play and write within the existing limits of their characters (empires). The turn delay between Messages is a part of the game and can add tension to story elements about empires trying to coordinate their efforts over vast distances.

2) Prevents some abuse. Players will not have access to or be able to act on information their empires would not ordinarily have.

Also, sometimes you will get a couple of J##k- A###s who have decided to team up against everybody early and unfairly outside game confines in what is *not a team based game*. (In my limited experience) They always seem to make the mistake of too much email diplomacy with other players ( I do not know why). With the treaty restrictions, email diplomacy restrictions, and other players helping me enforce the game rules, we can bust the chops of abuses like these early and not have a game ruined 3 months down the road.

This is just a little of my thinking behind the rule. I am always open to input and/or better ideas.

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Old June 14th, 2002, 08:54 AM
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I like to join but I really have no time.

I've withdrew some PBW games already, I stay in games because I can't just left my allies.

BTW, you make this new game many restrictions.
no AI, no ruins make the game fair, I understand.

but why not military alliance or partnership.
I always think that Intel is part of the war.
and no tech trade slow the game a lot.

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Dreamplace,

The treaty restrictions are designed to make players fight for themselves. Forget allies, you have none, its galactic domination or bust - except as noted below this is an every player for themselves, survival of the fittest game.

With the current restrictions you can use one another for a time.

The gift/trade restrictions are designed *in part* to force players to plan their own research carefully instead of relying on picking up tech levels from other players. (survival of the fittest again.)

You make bad research decisions and you pay in-game. Slower, yes but more strategic.

Intel is ditched because it is either useless, or too much of a bully stick depending. You either have enough that opposing Intel ops fail consistently or you can abuse a less developed empire to a point where they have no ability to provide a defense for themselves. I simply do not like the current Intel model. (JMHO)

Besides, with the noted restrictions you would probably prefer to build research centers anyway.
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The game "1st Darwin's Legacy" is now open and accepting players. You are welcome to join. The only real addition is the No AI Mod. For those unfamiliar with it, the mod simply removes the AI from the game so that if you miss a turn nothing is messed up. You do not have to download anything to use it.

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