Up to date beta patch info..

Freyland · #1 December 14th, 2000, 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by Psitticine:
[b]Just my 2�: there are always a few trolls lurking under any forum's bridge. I think most folks have learned to just ignore them. If you read through threads like this and just "read around" the more childish Posts, there is still a lot worth reading.

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Ahhh.. Complain about game = troll. Very nice. I have a right to my opinion, and I continue to make it clear, because after each true statement, another sycophant states how much better this game is than some other game, or generally ignores the facts. I again direct you to the wonderful list of fixes listed throughout this post. Very nice, in fact wonderful since I have been fiending for a game in this genre for some time. However, the length of the list simply supports my commentary, and people take offense instead of acknowledging reality. Good luck to MM, and I praise him for his continued support of his products. However, don't ask for my money for an incomplete game; label the box "incomplete game", or advertise it as such on the Ordering website. Hah. That will be the day!

Troll indeed.

Jonathan

Talenn · #2 December 14th, 2000, 09:13 AM

Freyland:

Against better judgement I will say this, but only because I've seen you as a contibuting member over at the CM forum.

"Ahhh.. Complain about game = troll."

Incorrect. Many of us have 'complained about the game' Most of us are pointing out flaws in hopes that they can rectified. There is a difference between constructive and 'destructive' criticism.

I believe the 'Troll' was due to the 'attacks' (if you will) on other Forumers (Courageous for one). You can state your opinion without denigrating the opinions of others. Most of us have managed to do so.

So, FWIW, YES, you are entitled to your opinion. NO, every who enjoys the game and thinks highly of the company who releases it is not a sycophant. Most people here are freely admitting that there is certainly room for improvement. They arent 'blindly' defending the game as is.

Finally, if the game/company/forum bothers you so much, no one is forcing you to come here and post. You've spoken your mind. You know the situation now. You dont have to agree with it, but that the way it is. What possible good can Posts like "Shakes head. Blind......" accomplish?

For the sake of everyone here, please let it go and check back once the next patch is out and you might be a satisfied customer. If not, well, maybe trying selling your copy on Ebay? I dont think SG takes returns, but I'm not sure.

Talenn

Jubala · #3 December 14th, 2000, 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by Richard:
5. Fixed - Troops on a planet you own will now increase the happiness of the populations on that planet.

Wait just a minute! Does this mean that lifting troops off a newly conquered planet will make the population more angry as well? Even rebel/riot? I hope so but even if not it will at least provide an incentive to keep the troops dirtside after invasion.

Richard · #4 December 14th, 2000, 06:11 PM

Freyland...

I have no problem with you complaining, unlike some other Boards that won't get you Banned. HOwever calling people a "fool" and such can. I am just asking you to keep it civil.

As far as the game being complete it is very much so. Any game can be better but again I dare you to find a comparable game that has come out in the Last 3-5 years that is better.

You won't find one.

Aaron has a long history for listening to his community and that won't change with us...

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Sarge is coming...

Richard Arnesen
Director of Covert Ops
Shrapnel Games
http://www.shrapnelgames.com

Baron Munchausen · #5 December 14th, 2000, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Jubala:
Wait just a minute! Does this mean that lifting troops off a newly conquered planet will make the population more angry as well? Even rebel/riot? I hope so but even if not it will at least provide an incentive to keep the troops dirtside after invasion.

No, removing troops does not CAUSE anger. But now leaving them will help to reduce it. So, you don't necessarily have to leave the fleet that just conquered the planet sitting there for 5 turns just to control the anger levels. You can leave the troops instead and move on. Also, you can put a few troops on planets in a system with enemy activity and reduce the unhappiness it causes.

C4 · #6 December 14th, 2000, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by Jourin:

MM agreed that SEIV would be released minus some features (like a good AI) as long as it had no obvious bugs. But MM also stated that they would continue to support the game with numerous patches to add these features and also fix any bugs that were discovered.

I think this is the problem in a nutshell. If MM KNOWINGLY released SEIV without good AI, it would have been nice to advise the customers of this so they could decide to buy or not based on this critical fact.

IF MM didn't know the AI was this poor, and it is poor, then he never played his own game.

I'm very pleased that MM is working on bug patches. However, I have never seen poor AI significantly improved in a game that went gold with Gomer Pyle AI. I think in this case the AI is actually being added and not improved....

I hear (loud and clear) that people who have dealt with MM have full confidence he will bring the product up to snuff.

Despite this, in my role as a consumer of this TOP DOLLAR game, I feel misled into buying it and that I threw away hard earned money.

If I had known that good AI was knowingly left out of the game I would never have purchased it until (if) it was added.

Yes, it isn't easy to develop a game, but that's what we pay game developers for.

Warlord Adamus · #7 December 14th, 2000, 07:26 PM

I think this is just a general misconception more than anything. I'm assuming Freyland is pointing to the long list of fixes/improvements and wonders why this wasn't already done before release. Correct me if I'm wrong. You have to keep in mind that MM has always done things this way, even before Shrapnel. The game isn't incomplete, there is just so much depth and tweaking to be done that development continues even after release.

That is not to say what you bought was a bugged game, remember all of the Malfador testers have been playing much more unstable Versions for many, many months. It wouldn't be released if it wasn't ready. I bought SE3 under the same set of circumstances, and to me it was fun seeing a patch every couple of weeks, a patch that wasn't just improvements but things I suggested. I couldn't wait for SE4 to be released because I wanted to see all the cool new mods. Suggest improvements, take a note from tampa, mephisto, talenn etc. and tweak things a bit. Telling us how much you don't like the game repeatedly just gets old, if you're that unsatisfied, just get a new game.

PS: I think that quote is a bit inaccurate, though he has the idea. To my knowledge Aaron never said, "lets release the game minus a good AI". I would imagine he assumed it was a work in progress like the other 85% of people on this forum do.

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