Tourmaline - Mod Nations Game (Finished) - Page 3

rdonj · #1 July 6th, 2009, 07:16 PM

Welcome aboard. I'm glad to see someone take the ogres, they should be a "fun" neighbor for some poor, unsuspecting soul

the Vanishag · #2 July 6th, 2009, 07:30 PM

Ooo! Ooo! Me too!

I really want to try out my mod nation, Alchera (Early Era, but that's an easy fix). Please take a look at it and let me know if there are any balance tweaks you think are necessary. The one I've been agonizing over from the beginning is the Dreamhunter: capital-only and expensive, but a powerful stealth leader, ok mage and (this is the biggie) assassin.

Feedback on the Alchera thread so far has leaned toward that unit being, if anything, underpowered, but...

(Note: this would make the 3rd game I'll be in simultaneously, but that's my self-imposed limit, so I don't think I'm overcomiting.)

rdonj · #3 July 6th, 2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by the Vanishag

Ooo! Ooo! Me too!

I really want to try out my mod nation, Alchera (Early Era, but that's an easy fix). Please take a look at it and let me know if there are any balance tweaks you think are necessary. The one I've been agonizing over from the beginning is the Dreamhunter: capital-only and expensive, but a powerful stealth leader, ok mage and (this is the biggie) assassin.

Feedback on the Alchera thread so far has leaned toward that unit being, if anything, underpowered, but...

(Note: this would make the 3rd game I'll be in simultaneously, but that's my self-imposed limit, so I don't think I'm overcomiting.)

I'm looking at alchera now. For some reason there seem to be recruitable bashanites? Also one of the commanders is messed up. This seems to be an error with the start site "Te Korekore". It points at unit numbers not used in the mod. I'll need you to fix that or for you to tell me what they're supposed to be if they're going to be in this game. I suspect dreamhunters are the missing commanders

I suspect summon yarama yha-who is too cheap, they're very good units for the price. You have Yowie listed twice... the first form turns into 2393, but there is no 2393. The second Yowie has the same id number (2390) as the first, so I'm not quite sure what would happen if they changed shape.

I have the feeling Compel Maero is just a tad abusive. Immortal chaff is not in and of itself unfair. Immortal chaff that costs basically nothing probably is. I think they're too massable too early.

Dream hunters aren't weak, but for 400 gold they aren't amazing either. I would leave them where they are for now and see how the game plays out.

I don't feel that alchera is overpowered overall though. I would probably nerf compel maero a bit, but aside from that I think they are reasonable. Go on ahead and play them.

Will take a look at haida gwaii next.

rdonj · #4 July 6th, 2009, 10:31 PM

I'm going to go ahead and okay Haida Gwaii as well, so valerius you're in.

the Vanishag · #5 July 7th, 2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rdonj

I'm looking at alchera now. For some reason there seem to be recruitable bashanites? Also one of the commanders is messed up. This seems to be an error with the start site "Te Korekore". It points at unit numbers not used in the mod. I'll need you to fix that or for you to tell me what they're supposed to be if they're going to be in this game. I suspect dreamhunters are the missing commanders

I suspect summon yarama yha-who is too cheap, they're very good units for the price. You have Yowie listed twice... the first form turns into 2393, but there is no 2393. The second Yowie has the same id number (2390) as the first, so I'm not quite sure what would happen if they changed shape.

I have the feeling Compel Maero is just a tad abusive. Immortal chaff is not in and of itself unfair. Immortal chaff that costs basically nothing probably is. I think they're too massable too early.

Dream hunters aren't weak, but for 400 gold they aren't amazing either. I would leave them where they are for now and see how the game plays out.

I don't feel that alchera is overpowered overall though. I would probably nerf compel maero a bit, but aside from that I think they are reasonable.

This is what I get for not testing a new version before uploading it.

I went ahead and made some changes - only the last one is a "buff":

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Originally Posted by the Vanishag

Update: v1.66
* fixed all the stuff I broke renumbering the mod for 1.65
* balance tweaks:
* Compell Maero now summons only one (was variable by skill), but only costs 2 gems (was 3) and Maeros now have 14 HP (was 12)
* Summon Yarama Ya-who cost increased to 15 pearls (was 10)
* Maohi Diver now has mapmove 1 (was 2 - makes them a little less land-friendly) and MR 10 (Maohi norm)
* Possum Warrior now has MR 14 (was 13) to accurately reflect "+2 bonus" from enchanted Possum-skin Cloak (which doesn't actually give +2 MR, but all units in the mod with this armor have +2 MR relative to a comparable unit without

Regarding the Maeros: as they increase unrest in their province 1/turn (each) and aren't stealthy, so you can't use this against hostile provinces, I figured that was a major balance point - losing a lot in a single turn could cripple one's capital the next turn.

rdonj · #6 July 8th, 2009, 01:58 AM

Compel Maero used to be 11+

I take it that wasn't intended. I think they would be reasonably fair at 2-3 per cast. At 1 a cast... well, you could make a case for them, but they probably would not be worth the mage time.

the Vanishag · #7 July 8th, 2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rdonj

Compel Maero used to be 11+

I take it that wasn't intended. I think they would be reasonably fair at 2-3 per cast. At 1 a cast... well, you could make a case for them, but they probably would not be worth the mage time.

Yeah, at 1/cast I wasn't planning on using them at all. They were supposed to be 2-3/cast... that's me not (sufficiently) testing my mods again.

I'll go fix it.

Valerius · #8 July 6th, 2009, 08:06 PM

I would like to try Haida Gwaii.

Valerius · #9 July 6th, 2009, 11:04 PM

Yikes, I just took a look at Itza. They're insane. I'm almost afraid to look at Stygia since Executor was concerned they might be overpowered for this game.

Any chance of giving Haida Gwaii a boost so they can compete?

rdonj · #10 July 6th, 2009, 11:19 PM

Itza is probably the strongest overall nation currently in this game. Perhaps this is poor form on my part :P I wouldn't say they're quite insane though. I don't think they're quite as good as the top tier vanilla nations like la ermor/ashdod/mictlan. They have significant issues to overcome, such as preposterously expensive forts and cap only mages :P I do think having their sacreds recruit everywhere is probably a bit too good. If the other players deem it necessary I am willing to limit them to cap only for this game.

I'm less inclined to boost haida gwaii. You've got plenty to work with

Also I note that we've reached the minimum number of players. I will continue accepting sign ups for say a few more days and then I'll put the mod together. I'll give another day or two after that for people to play around with the nations and see if any bugs pop up. Then we can start.