Battlestar Galactica II (No Joke)

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Acutally, DS9 being a rip of B5 isn't true and isn't provable. Both shows did develop at the same time, along with many other space-station based sci-fi shows. Those two developed, many others failed.

Also, the script controllers at Paramount don't keep stuff like story pitches. I've seen incidents where a writer will pitch them 4 stories, they'll say keep that one for later and make it more detailed and come back, then trash it a month later. They trashed it because they don't remember it. These people see and hear millions of script pitches a day.

Plus B5 was pitched to the day time soap people at paramount, whom promptly canned it.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Hadrian Tyrael S. Aventine:
Acutally, DS9 being a rip of B5 isn't true and isn't provable.

So which is it? Those statments appear to be either redundant (If it's not true then it's stands to reason it's not provable) or contradictory.

Plus B5 was pitched to the day time soap people at paramount, whom promptly canned it.

SHERIDAN: "Susan, What's wrong?"
IVANOVA: "John, I, I'm pregnant. And G'Kar is the father!"
[Close up of Sheridan with a pained look on his face. Organ music rises to creshendo, and fade to black.]

EWWWWW! Finally, a good result of the show being on the WB.

Geo

[Baron Munchausen]

Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
A few things: the engines don't work as well, and the wings don't generate as much lift since the air is thinner.

Phoenix-D

Yeah, the lack of air to fuel the engines is the main limitation. But lift does enter the equation eventually. I think the F-15 can actually go higher in 'vertical' mode than it can sustain in level flight... There was a 'satellite killer' missile designed to be fired from an F-15 at one time. Dunno if it went into actual production. That infomation is probably classified.

[ June 27, 2002, 14:29: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

[Baron Munchausen]

Originally posted by Hadrian Tyrael S. Aventine:
Acutally, DS9 being a rip of B5 isn't true and isn't provable. Both shows did develop at the same time, along with many other space-station based sci-fi shows. Those two developed, many others failed.

Also, the script controllers at Paramount don't keep stuff like story pitches. I've seen incidents where a writer will pitch them 4 stories, they'll say keep that one for later and make it more detailed and come back, then trash it a month later. They trashed it because they don't remember it. These people see and hear millions of script pitches a day.

Plus B5 was pitched to the day time soap people at paramount, whom promptly canned it.

Sorry, but it is entirely provable. You can look at the two story arcs and see point after point copied from B5. They actually stole some of the actors in mid-story, like the guy that played 'General Hague', to play the same part in their story arc.

Strasczinski publicly stated in the B5 newsGroups that he had pitched the story to Paramount and given them a full printed outline of the arc. So it's no 'mystery' or 'coincidence' that the two series overlap so much.

[geoschmo]

If it's true Baron it wouldn't be all that suprising. Story pitches are routinely "borrowed" in Hollywood. Scripts are rehashed and rewritten with new characters for new shows. Very little is truely original because it's tough to get financing for an "unproven" idea. You can go back decades and find the same episodes done over and over again in different shows. It's rather amusing actually. You ever notice how movies always seem to come in pairs? Two volcano movies one year, two asteroid movies the next.

I remember reading that Roddenberry had an idea for a DS9/B5 like series when the original Trek went off the air in the 60's, but he couldn't get the backing for it. TNG was supposed to be it, but Paramount insisted on a more familier formula. He referred to TOS/TNG as "Wagon Train to the stars", and the show he wanted to do would be more like "Gunsmoke in the stars".

Geoschmo

[ June 27, 2002, 14:48: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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The actor that played the General was also featured in the Outer Limits as both a general and president, he also appeared in many other TV shows and movies around the same time.

While I do think they did copy, I also think they developed along different lines.

DS9 had only the Cardassian Civil War, Dominion War, and one other I can't remember over the course of 7 seasons. B5 had about 5 or 6 wars in 5 seasons.

B5 was much more political while DS9 was more military based.

I won't go into religious over tones.

Honestly, I don't consider them rip offs. Most of the time, it's people just bashing DS9 or B5 or both.

[Krakenup]

[quote]Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:

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Originally posted by Krakenup:

It's not a big difference, it's a HUGE difference. For example, an F-16 can perform a 9-G turn (until the pilot blacks out) using aerodynamic forces. Its thrust-weight ratio, however, is generally less than one so its acceleration using just the engine is less than 1 G.

Well, I know that both the F-15 and the F-16 can fly straight up for a considerable distance. I clearly recall that the F-15 can reach 50,000 feet faster than the Apollo moon rockets could. Is the difference really all attributable to the very slow vertical lift-off of the Apollo rockets? I'd have thought that the F-15 and F-16 would have a better thrust-weight ratio than "slightly" more than 1-1. They are suppose to be able to make a start down the runway & then flip the thing into vertical before they would have reached horizontal take-off speed.

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It depends on what they are carrying. The F-15 Streak Eagle that set the time-to-climb records was stripped. It didn't even have any paint. They had to paint it to keep it from corroding before they put it in a museum. Your standard F-15 has a weight empty of 28-30K and two engines with about 25K thrust each. With a full load of fuel and weapons, they can gross out at up to 70K. Similarly, the F-16 has one 25K engine with a weight empty of 19K and a gross weight of up to 35K. Also, the thrust drops significantly with altitude. So the thrust-weight ratio varies, but it is usually less than one at combat conditions.

A lightly loaded F-15 or F-16 can go straight up at low altitudes, but they can't go up many thousand feet before they start slowing down. The Streak Eagle stayed on the deck to build up speed before it started climbing and then used all the aerodynamic lift it could get.

At altitude, you can use aerodynamic lift to get the aircraft pointed up at speed. The aircraft then zooms to an altitude that it cannot sustain. It's like throwing a ball. It keeps gaining altitude until it runs out of vertical velocity, and then it comes back down. There is no aircraft today with an air-breathing propulsion system that can stand on its tail at high altitude without falling like a rock.