Modding multiple shipyards per planet?

[Baron Munchausen]

Yes, there are many many many possible non-combat enhancements to the game that are being neglected. I guess the idea of 'conflict' is uppermost in the minds of most game developers as a way to make the game interesting. I prefer solving puzzles.

More infrastructure features would be a great way to make the game more interesting. Populations should need a some organics to maintain themselves. Facilities should need a certain amount of population to operate. (This was added during development but deactivated. Dang it... why can't it be an option like so many other things?) If 'labor' were a non-portal resource then you'd be forced to locate your major shipyards at large population centers. Hey, presto, more realism! None of these would require 'micro-management' at the level of moving resources around in individual ships. It's all doable with game mechanics about as complex as we currently have in SE IV.

There should be more factors in planetary environment, too. Stars! had it right. Gravity, Temperature range, Radiation. Add those three to the current atmospheres and we've got a pretty decent set of simulated environment variables. Add techs to compensate them for your populations and the game gets much more interesting.

As far as ships and crews, I think tracking individual ships' supplies is good enough. We just need a 'default' supply usage rate so they can't sit on station forever. If the game would read and use the supply usage on components like Crew Quarters and Life Support each turn this would be doable.

[ June 27, 2002, 00:39: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

[ELN-Gustyboy]

Hi all !!

Thanks for your Last answers !!
PDF si tu es ok j aimerais bien avoir ce facility.txt.

For the Last ideas,there are very very good...and i will be the first happy player !!!

[Spuzzum]

Heh, this is the first time I've ever seen slang used in French. (I've never been to French-speaking cities or areas... every single bit of French I've heard has been the pure-grammar Version, and only in school.)


(C'est amusant, en verité... je ne sais pas si ma grammaire est mal ou bon. Après ma repére, j'ai perdu plus ou moins de 65% que mon enseignant de français m'a enseigné. Aussi, je suis un Canadien -- la français du Canada est un peu differente. Pour exemple, "le dîner" contre "la souper". ;-) )


Erp, I can't think of a way to get back on topic here.

...Oh well. =)

[Suicide Junkie]

If 'labor' were a non-portal resource then you'd be forced to locate your major shipyards at large population centers. Hey, presto, more realism

P&N does this, and I'm sure proportions has something to that effect as well.

In the latest P&Ns (2.5 PBW), spaceyard rate is set to 10% for 1M people, and goes up 1% for every 25M people after that.
Effectively, Homeworlds start with about 175% of normal build rate, but colonies of 100M are stuck with 14%, and struggle to build even the cheapest facilities, normally taking 6 months to a year each.
At the other end of the scale, Sphereworlds get about 25x more build rate than normal
Besides the fact that it would take forever to build the spaceyard on a colony, you'd get little return on your investment.

[Baron Munchausen]

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:

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If 'labor' were a non-portal resource then you'd be forced to locate your major shipyards at large population centers. Hey, presto, more realism

P&N does this, and I'm sure proportions has something to that effect as well.

In the latest P&Ns (2.5 PBW), spaceyard rate is set to 10% for 1M people, and goes up 1% for every 25M people after that.
Effectively, Homeworlds start with about 175% of normal build rate, but colonies of 100M are stuck with 14%, and struggle to build even the cheapest facilities, normally taking 6 months to a year each.
At the other end of the scale, Sphereworlds get about 25x more build rate than normal
Besides the fact that it would take forever to build the spaceyard on a colony, you'd get little return on your investment.

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That's not quite what I meant but it's true that population production bonuses come close to this effect. But what I intnded was that even orbital space yards should be dependent on population.

Basically, population would 'produce' a resource called 'labor' and it would then be used to: 1) operate facilities, 2) build stuff. Each facility could then have a 'labor input' requirement to be operated. And spaceyard bases built around planets with high population would be vastly more productive. Oh, and robotoid factories would then boost your 'labor' production per population point, not your production directly.

After the balancing effects of making population more valuable, and making facilities usage more realistic, the main advantage of this system would be similar to the 'maintenance modifier' that was discussed in another thread. You could make something very expensive in 'labor' but not other resources so it was difficult to build but not expensive to maintain.

[ July 03, 2002, 16:13: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

[dmm]

What would happen to spaceyards on ships or bases that were not orbiting a planet? Would those build extremely slowly? If not, why not? If so, then won't that make it all but impossible to build a ring/sphere world? (Don't you have to build them in place, using non-orbiting spaceyards, since the components are too big to transport from a planetary shipyard?)

[ELN-Gustyboy]

Hi.

Yes i really like the "labor" production idea...
I think it will make the game more realistic and more interesting....