Dramatica - A Very Dramatic Game. Game on. - Page 4

rdonj · #31 November 23rd, 2009, 10:31 PM

Not really. Mostly it is just crossbows. However they do have a unit called thunderers who use magic lightning-flinging staves to take the place of black powder units. These do 10 armor negating damage, but I think they can be blocked by shields (this is not necessarily true).

Burnsaber · #32 November 24th, 2009, 02:00 AM

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Do the dwarfs have black powder weapons? I have played warhammer for many years, so I am familiar with the backstory and flavor of both those nations.

No, the dwarfs don't have any gunpowder since it doesn't really fit with the dom3 universe. However, they have thunderers and flamethrowers as summons to give a sort of *feel* of technological advatage (Thunderers shoot lighting like storm demons, expect that it is shield blockable and Flamethrowers throw flames like Fire Drakes).

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I hate the idea of needing chaff against them, though! Abysian chaff isnt really chaff, and independants tend to fatigue or catch on fire!

Well, that's sort how this game works. You need to be ready to change tactics depending on the nation you are facing. One trick isn't effective versus all things. Shielded Abysian infantry could probably withstand the crossbow fire but why should you sacrife them when some random human could take the shot for them?

Gregstrom · #33 November 24th, 2009, 07:48 AM

Err, if Thunderers use Storm Demon shot it *might* be completely unblockable. I'm not sure how much of the specialness of their lightning is due to the #stormflyer/#stormimmune tag.

Gregstrom · #34 November 24th, 2009, 08:27 AM

Hokay, here's the revised mod.

Crystals cost 13g and have composite bows.

Alchemist has no forge bonus, costs 20 pearls and has a revised description.

To avoid me screwing up Rite of Exposed Children through my own ignorance, it costs 72 slaves and is otherwise as is. The Storm Child should now have head, torso, 4 misc.

Gifts is modified as per requests.

Valkyrie and Shadow Vestal both had a typo in their #armour - this is fixed. Shadow Vestal with lightweight scale seems pretty tough to me - they show up as 35g, 25res cap only. Valk now has (as apparently intended) kite shield and lightweight scale.

Elemental armours on the Amazons are as intended I think - they live next to a dying dragon, and the scales presumably make good armour.

rdonj · #35 November 24th, 2009, 09:45 AM

Thunderers use "dwarf lightning" which is an entirely new weapon made by burnsaber. The only property it has which could conceivably cause it to ignore shields is the part that causes it to do shock damage. However I am pretty sure it is only with secondary effects that weapons can ignore shields. Also, I have used thunderers and my personal observation is that they do not seem to ignore shields, as lightning bolts will appear to be hitting units and do no damage.

Gregstrom · #36 November 24th, 2009, 10:54 AM

Cool. I mentioned it as IIRC Storm Demon shots ignore shields, armour and the Air Shield effect.

rdonj · #37 November 24th, 2009, 11:38 AM

They ignore air shield? I wasn't explicitly aware of that one. Anyway, there was some concern about that with the mod initially, iirc someone reported their thunderers penetrating shields. But that was probably just wishful thinking

. I think the thunderer's ability though is very like a "normal" missile, and doesn't really have any of the strange properties that cause things to ignore shields like poison arrows and storm demons.

Burnsaber · #38 November 24th, 2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rdonj

Thunderers use "dwarf lightning" which is an entirely new weapon made by burnsaber. The only property it has which could conceivably cause it to ignore shields is the part that causes it to do shock damage. However I am pretty sure it is only with secondary effects that weapons can ignore shields. Also, I have used thunderers and my personal observation is that they do not seem to ignore shields, as lightning bolts will appear to be hitting units and do no damage.

Just to get the thing clear: Thunderer shots get blocked by shields and it is intentional.

On other news, I've uploaded both Themiskyra and Dwarfs to the llamaserver and set up the game accordingly.

Get your pretenders in folks!

Aethyr · #39 November 25th, 2009, 12:22 AM

So, we should have all mod loaded when we design our pretenders?

Burnsaber · #40 November 25th, 2009, 05:06 AM

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So, we should have all mod loaded when we design our pretenders?

CBM is very much reguired. But, I don't think that having the 3 nation mods enabled would make a difference one way or other. However, Ids recommended to have all of the mods enabled, just to avoid that miniscular chance of problems appearing.