Questions about soviet artillery and other in game

[Denis_469]

http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Article...ar/acv-losses/

And US and Israel tanks losses with reasons: http://krasmana.org/post26618.html

In 1 picture M1A2 destroy by 12,7mm HMG. Anyone can destroy M1A2 in game from 12,7mm MG?

[Marek_Tucan]

Originally Posted by Denis_469

http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Article...ar/acv-losses/

What you can see there re. Merk IV are mostly repeated pics of a Merk that shrugged off hit to left turret front and of a Merk that was destroyed by a large explosive device underneath. Oh, and one Merk that lost its gun to a freak hit.

And US and Israel tanks losses with reasons: http://krasmana.org/post26618.html

At least two pics of that set in first post are actually Cojone Eh, that Abrams I was talking about as repeatedly photographed.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...9831&start=270
Immobilised by a hit in the engine compartment, then towed a bit by other Abrams, but that was too slow so abandoned and set on fire by its crew. Subsequently bombed and Mavericked by the USAF.
If you look carefully, others pics are often same vehicle from different views as well, for example the Abrams under overpass.

In 1 picture M1A2 destroy by 12,7mm HMG. Anyone can destroy M1A2 in game from 12,7mm MG?

Tried searching for "12,7" to no avail in all links. I would be sceptical - now if we were talking 30mm APFSDS (which the Iraqis did not have), there might be something as 25mm APFSDS was able to kill a T-72 from flanks and the armor (without protective skirts) is similar.

[Denis_469]

Originally Posted by Marek_Tucan

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Tried searching for "12,7" to no avail in all links. I would be sceptical - now if we were talking 30mm APFSDS (which the Iraqis did not have), there might be something as 25mm APFSDS was able to kill a T-72 from flanks and the armor (without protective skirts) is similar.

You need translate text from russian. Describe destroy write in russian.
And about M1A2 - armore side is 30 mm armore list after skirt and all. 30mm AP shells from BMP-2 can penetrate Abrams 30 mm lists from 500 meters, and SABOT 30-mm shells can penetrate Abrams 30 mm lists from 2000 meters. T-72 (Ural) - first T-72 have side armore is 70 mm armore list and in Iraq no one T-72 not destroy by Bredly from 25-mm gun in hull side or turret side.

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by Denis_469

And about M1A2 - armore side is 30 mm armore list after skirt and all.

Yes, except for the little detail that the side skirts on the Abrams are actually the main armor, being about 60mm thick according to most estimates, and made of composite armor in the most critical areas, as it can be clearly observed in the following picture (note the multiple layers in the damaged armor).



On the other hand T-72 side skirts are only rubber with just enough steel for stiffening and maybe the odd ERA brick if/when/where present.