MP David & Goliath - Running noob game - Page 26

GrudgeBringer · #**251** December 29th, 2009, 09:27 AM

I was asked to make sure no one staled during the Holidays....

I apologize but I let you all down and 2 people staled because I said it would not host until Jan 2ND.

I know there are people at war and I know this may not be fair to everyone but I am rolling the turn back as of 7:19 CST US time ( I 'Think' that's about 12:20 GMT).

I have included the directions from llamaserver on how to do it and what not to do...

Any comments should be directed at me as I am soley to blame as I had /have relatives in town and have had a winter storm and computer access was unavailable for a short time.

Not am excuse...just an explanation, sorry folks:

(Read this next bit carefully. I seem to be having difficulties explaining it coherently:

Note that once the game is rolled back, it will appear that the game is waiting for 2h files from all players. However, the 2h files from last time the turn was played will in fact be there, and will be used if the game hosts without them being overwritten. This can be useful; often, a game is rehosted in order for only one or two players to retake their turns, while everyone else is expected to make no changes. The game admin can therefore wait till just those players have submitted, and then force hosting. None of the other players will stale (assuming they actually submitted a 2h file last time the turn was played).

I hope all that makes sense!

Louppatient · #**252** December 29th, 2009, 09:37 AM

No problem for me, and I am in contact with one player who staled, and at war with the other

GrudgeBringer · #**253** December 29th, 2009, 09:42 AM

Now, I have a question on this turn back...

I am not sure if it means this...Say you don't see the turn has been rolled back (no one has submitted a turn yet) and you go ahead and overwrite the files but don't send it in.

Will you automatically have the previous turn sent in when it force hosts?

OR, do you have to do something because you have overwritten the files but didn't send them in?

Anyone experienced with this as I certainly am not)

thejeff · #**254** December 29th, 2009, 09:58 AM

I'm unsure what you mean by "Will you automatically have the previous turn sent in when it force hosts?"
Turns are sent in by email. The llamaserver does not know what you've done on your home computer, unless you email the 2h file. It cannot make you send in a turn.

The only weirdness I know of is that if you have played the new turn before it gets rolled back, you may need to delete the 2h file since it doesn't match the new turn information. Try this if dominions starts crashing when you open the turn.

GrudgeBringer · #**255** December 29th, 2009, 10:10 AM

So I can't just 'overwrite' the new turn with the rolled back turn I just received and mail it in?

Brcause like an idiot I just went ahead and overwrote the turn without paying attention (I am in 4 games) and then started freaking..

Stagger Lee · #**256** December 29th, 2009, 10:23 AM

Without looking at my turn I will say that I won't be redoing my turn. The last time this happened, I did not redo the turn, nor did I send in the same turn again. I did nothing. It worked. Please only the two nations who staled (I'm not even sure who they were, was Caelum one?) send in turns. The rest of us should do nothing. Let's hear from anyone who disagrees on this point.

GB - I think if you just delete your new 2h file and retrieve the old one from your sent emails you should be fine.

thejeff · #**257** December 29th, 2009, 10:26 AM

You can overwrite the new turn with the rolled back one.

Assuming you're not one of the 2 who staled, there's no need to. Or are you saying you sent in orders for the new turn that was then rolled back? If so, then you can and should send in another 2h file for turn 27. It's simplest to use the one you sent before if your email program saved a copy. If not you can just overwrite the trn file for 28 with the rolled back trn file for 27 and try to duplicate your old turn. You may need to delete the 2h file first.

Did that make any sense?

GrudgeBringer · #**258** December 29th, 2009, 10:37 AM

OK, I looked at the new turn...I then got the rolled back turn overwrote the new turn. I haven't sent in anything so am I ok or do I need to redo the turn and send it in...

I guess what people don't understand is ...Do we need to do anything? I mean do we need to send in the same turn or just let it go when it hosts and it will pick up the old turn.

And then there is someone like me that loaded the new turn and then the rolled back turn...do I need to redo the turn or will it pick up the rolled back turn IF I didn't send in the new turn.

IF I/someone would need to delete the old 2h file do we just go in the turn file and delete it and then redo the old turn which would put a new 2h file in the folder.

Thanks for taking the time to help us J

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thejeff · #**259** December 29th, 2009, 12:14 PM

You don't need to do anything. The last 2h file you sent to the llamaserver will be used.

Except, of course, for the 2 who staled.

Or if you sent in the new turn before it was rolled back. Then you need to send the old 2h file back in, or play the rolled back turn and send a 2h file for that.

Don't worry about deleting the 2h file unless dominions crashes when we finally get a new turn. If it does, just delete the old 2h file and then play the new turn as normal.

The llamaserver knows nothing about what you've done, just what you've sent in. And your local dominions only knows what's in the trn file from the llamaserver and what it's written to the 2h. The only problem is when they don't match.

What I believe happens there is that dominions stores the turn number in both the trn and 2h files. If you have a 2h file for a different turn it just gets deleted. If you have one from the same turn it gives you the "continue or redo" option. If they are the same turn number, but the turn was rolled back it gets confused. Maybe there are orders for dead commanders or new recruits have different id numbers, whatever. Something has changed and it can't make sense of it. I don't know if this always happens in this situation or not.
You might even get to the Continue or Redo prompt and be able to pick Redo, I can't remember when it crashed.
If that confused you, ignore it unless dominions crashes when we get a new turn.

Yskonyn · #**260** December 30th, 2009, 05:22 PM

I staled because I was abroad and for some reason llama decided to host. But I think I can send in the turn still due to the rollback? No real trouble if I can't we'll just continue from there.

I hope everybody had a nice christmas!

EDIT: Apparently I did stale twice as the game tells me that I did not turn in a 2h file.