Mega-Dueling Tournament - Rules, Settings, Check List, and Sign Ups

[AreaOfEffect]

AdmiralZhao, under the normal rules, that would be true provided that an odd number of people who signed up before you didn't withdraw from the game.


Swan & Stagger Lee, thanks. Though it seems I caught that mistake just before I saw your posts.


Jarkko, thanks for answering Swans question.


Ink & Squirrelloid & chrispedersen, I'm a big fan of "Keep it Simple". I understand your concerns that someone might try to manipulate the odds. I also understand that a seeding would in theory make things more interesting. However, the process of seeding players has to be extremely simple and lacking subjectivity or else it will make players unhappy.

So far I would only be in favor of a complete randomization or perhaps a seeding based on your join date at the forums. The problem is really just too complicated for people not to object to it in some way. If you want a reference as to how hard it would be to rank players without a strong objection, I would like to refer you to the thread about who here is a vet.


Everyone, happy New Year.

[Squirrelloid]

So, I meant something like 'ask everyone for an ordered list of players from most to least experienced/skilled'. Of course, someone could just submit a randomly ordered list or whatever if they wanted to. Sum ranks for each player, order players by summed rank (break ties randomly), fold for pairings. (1 plays 32, 2 plays 31, etc...).

Its 'objective' in the sense that no one person's subjective ideas distort the list, and once you have every person's list there is a definitive final ranking.

[Alpine Joe]

That sounds extremely complicated, and could insure the tournament never gets off the ground. I would prefer a slightly more imbalanced first round to all that hassle.

[AreaOfEffect]

The complexity of a machine can be measured by the number of moving parts. In the case of human social events, increasing the number of people involved and their involvement increases the complexity of the social activity. In that respect, people are like moving parts of a machine. Increasing the number of moving parts always increases the chance for the system to break down.

Squirrelloid, your plan calls for an increased workload for all players involved in a mega-game. If this was a small game, your plan would go more smoothly. It is also best if such ambitious rules be clarified before people sign up for the game. My experience in setting up games tells me that its hard to expect players to keep up with rule changes. Rule changes that require the player's participation are therefore the worse.

[ghoul31]

I am interested

[Squirrelloid]

if we keep the current pairings and ordering, and collapse the pairings treelike, i predict a lingchih vs. [baalz, wraithlord] final matchup, where [b,w] is the winner of that match.

The upper-half bracket looks a lot rougher, starting with baalz and wraithlord facing off in round 1 (ouch!), and continuing with a number of pretty decent players, so i'd be more likely to bet on an upset in the upper bracket than the lower bracket.

Of course, I'm extrapolating based on observed MP-skill, which might not translate as well to duels.

Edit: I also predict Ling's first pick will be Nieflheim

[Graeme Dice]

I'll play, though I'd like to be able to rename to keep turn time to a minimum.

[Lingchih]

Originally Posted by Squirrelloid

if we keep the current pairings and ordering, and collapse the pairings treelike, i predict a lingchih vs. [baalz, wraithlord] final matchup, where [b,w] is the winner of that match.

The upper-half bracket looks a lot rougher, starting with baalz and wraithlord facing off in round 1 (ouch!), and continuing with a number of pretty decent players, so i'd be more likely to bet on an upset in the upper bracket than the lower bracket.

Of course, I'm extrapolating based on observed MP-skill, which might not translate as well to duels.

Edit: I also predict Ling's first pick will be Nieflheim

You underestimate me Squirrel. I can beat either Baalz or Wraithlord, though it is nice to see them fighting each other in one of the first matches.

[Meglobob]

Lets just stick to the rules in the OP, this is the first tourny of its type and AreaofEffects rules/setup seem pretty good to me.

Would Nieflheim be a good nation choice? Chances are several others will pick it and your chance of getting the nation may be 1 in 4 or higher, then you will have missed out on the 1st round picks. Same with Ashdod, another obvious nation choice.

Also, those are essentially, 'blitzs' completely different from the usual type of game on this forum, so I think the chances of a surprise winner are considerably increased. Essentially, compare it with snooker, over 19 frames the best/classiest player wins 90% of the time over just 5 frames it goes alot closer to 50-50.

I would for example having played vs both Baalz and Wraithlord suspect Baalz will be alot better at a blitz then a, 'normal' game. Wraithlord's strongest attribute, diplomacy (he really does have the ability to bend other people to his will, I suspect mind control) is completely useless in this game format.

[Lingchih]

I second that sentiment Meglo. The OP rules sound fine to me. And yes, of course I would pick Nief, if I thought I had a good chance of getting them. Otherwise, well... I might have to be more creative.