Mod: Conceptual Balance Mod 1.6

[Festin]

Another suggestion for the next version of CBM: divine grasp should be a bonus weapon, so you can equip iron angels and not lose the halt sacred attack.

Yes, this is very important. There are other units with the same situation, as far as I remember.

[Mardagg]

Talking about swords:

Anyone else also thinks its unthematic that a big and heavy 2-handed weapon like e.g. the Wraith Sword does less damage than many single handed weapons?

Generally i think the magic items could still use quite some balancing work in CBM.
Just to name a few:
- Fire Brand and to a lesser extend Frost Brand are overpowered for the cheap prize imo.
-Hell Sword and Wraith Sword are extremely underpowered on the other hand,they have to offer much more bang for the buck in order to compete with single handed weapon+shield.
We got a 25 Death gem/15 slaves + 10 fire gems weapon here,with just average stats,below average and not even AP damage,nerfed life drain,using two hand slots.Thats just plain terrible.

(Also i would like to see the Shadow brand to be on par with the other two (nerfed) brands,AN damage would be thematic here imo)

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by Mardagg

Talking about swords:

Anyone else also thinks its unthematic that a big and heavy 2-handed weapon like e.g. the Wraith Sword does less damage than many single handed weapons?

Generally i think the magic items could still use quite some balancing work in CBM.
Just to name a few:
- Fire Brand and to a lesser extend Frost Brand are overpowered for the cheap prize imo.
-Hell Sword and Wraith Sword are extremely underpowered on the other hand,they have to offer much more bang for the buck in order to compete with single handed weapon+shield.
We got a 25 Death gem/15 slaves + 10 fire gems weapon here,with just average stats,below average and not even AP damage,nerfed life drain,using two hand slots.Thats just plain terrible.

(Also i would like to see the Shadow brand to be on par with the other two (nerfed) brands,AN damage would be thematic here imo)

I don't think the hell sword is actually that bad. If its price was reduced you wouldn't want to reduce it more than 1 step, probably. It has a couple extra things on it other than just life drain which should increase its price. The wraith sword I'll agree with, it is way overpriced. At d2 or d3 it would be much better balanced with the brand weapons, and it is after all a cons 6 item.

Frost brand and fire brand could use maybe a one step price increase, but iirc QM tried this before and people complained until it was changed back. As for the shadow brand, again I don't think it is that bad. With fear and/or quickness it is actually much better than a fire or frost brand most of the time imo, at least at killing chaff.

Unfortunately, you can't really alter the stats of weapons with item modding. Basically the only change you could make to improve or weaken any of them would be to change the secondary effects they use. For example if one really wanted to they could double to damage of the shadow brand's aoe and make the fire brand's aoe do one damage. But you cannot alter the actual weapon itself.

[Mardagg]

Originally Posted by rdonj

Unfortunately, you can't really alter the stats of weapons with item modding. Basically the only change you could make to improve or weaken any of them would be to change the secondary effects they use. For example if one really wanted to they could double to damage of the shadow brand's aoe and make the fire brand's aoe do one damage. But you cannot alter the actual weapon itself.

Oh,wow,didnt know that.
Thats very sad.
I really think that e.g. Wraith Sword having like 16 base damage or so would be much more thematic.
Thanks for the info.

Maybe giving it 50 or 100% CR,+some kind of fear effect+reducing the price then.
I agree,that the Hellsword is better in comparison,but still most of the time it isnt really an option because of superior brand+shield kits.
Maybe giving it 100%FR and a slightly better berserk effect?
2 handed weapons just have to offer quite a lot for its big downside.
Is it possible to change the damage type to AP damage?