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Old February 16th, 2010, 06:16 PM

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Default Re: Can someone tell me about Machaka?

I'd guess Magma Bolts were missing. Did they do any damage? The 1 pt that you see hitting mistform?
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Old February 16th, 2010, 06:23 PM

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I think Magma Bolts (and other bolts) can be parried by a Shield. So a Titan may not be the best test subject.
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Old February 16th, 2010, 06:28 PM
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Both Magma Bolts and Eruption are magical damage. See DrP's spreadsheet:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=36617

Magma Bolts are not AoE, so they are probably blockable by a shield, and may be treated as a missile for the purposes of whether they hit the target (even when they land in the square the target is in).

I'd be surprised if Magma Eruption does not break the mistform every time, if the AoE effect hits the square the titan is in.
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Old February 16th, 2010, 09:31 PM
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Black Sorcerer F3

+2 pen rod+flaming helm+eyeof the void+spell focus

Phoenix power + Blindness ( pen + 7)

This looks better and research lower.
Torin, excuse me, but looks better for what? As far as I know just Rage and Hydrophobia are the only fire spell requiring a MR check, so I think you are not refering to them. I must be missing something obvious here but I don't understand what
Fail your DRN Jarkko?

p.s. were you confusing Magma Eruption with Blade Wind before?

Also, OP: The colossal fetish is awesome. Don't let these guys tell you otherwise. Go Dom9, A4E3, use your native E gems to give him some Behemoth Boots, and watch that size-6 zero-encumbrance 25-protection block of lumber roll over everyone in sight. Give him Mistform & he's good through mid-game. Cloud Trapeze and your raiding problems are mitigated. Use your consequentially awesome scales to fort-spam your way to Evocation Annihilation. Skellispam + Poison Cloud + Spiders. Spider Warrior raiders everywhere. Magma Eruption + Militia blockers for the tough guys. Your Black Sorcerers are semi-immortal, abuse that. Bring plenty of lantern shields to every party. Ears of the Lord with bane charm venoms uncatchable thanks to their unrest incitement. Could there be a cooler nation???

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Black Sorcerer F3

+2 pen rod+flaming helm+eyeof the void+spell focus

Phoenix power + Blindness ( pen + 7)

This looks better and research lower.
Torin, excuse me, but looks better for what? As far as I know just Rage and Hydrophobia are the only fire spell requiring a MR check, so I think you are not refering to them. I must be missing something obvious here but I don't understand what
Fail your DRN Jarkko?

p.s. were you confusing Magma Eruption with Blade Wind before?

Also, OP: The colossal fetish is awesome. Don't let these guys tell you otherwise. Go Dom9, A4E3, use your native E gems to give him some Behemoth Boots, and watch that size-6 zero-encumbrance 25-protection block of lumber roll over everyone in sight. Give him Mistform & he's good through mid-game. Cloud Trapeze and your raiding problems are mitigated. Use your consequentially awesome scales to fort-spam your way to Evocation Annihilation. Skellispam + Poison Cloud + Spiders. Spider Warrior raiders everywhere. Magma Eruption + Militia blockers for the tough guys. Your Black Sorcerers are semi-immortal, abuse that. Bring plenty of lantern shields to every party. Ears of the Lord with bane charm venoms uncatchable thanks to their unrest incitement. Could there be a cooler nation???
In his defense, that is quite a penalty.

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I was trying him with astral, because he's mindless... but only used him is SP so I'm still not sure. It seems a sure thing with Evo though.

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Default Re: Can someone tell me about Machaka?

That was my exact build from some MP game a while back (still have the god file). If I recall correctly it was an all MA nations game and I was top 3 in provinces the whole game. Came to a sudden end due to some weird victory conditions and the Admiral's brilliant exploit of some quirky start locations.

But I was pulling off a double invasion quite nicely at the time. I think my long term goal was to have him forge the Air boosters and be my Fog Warrioring/Mass Flighting teleporter supporting my swarms of spiders and berserking, SoG'd, WoS'd, dirt-cheap militia.
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You do realize the colossal fetish has like 4AP, and so tramples 2 squares per round. At that rate you have to be counting on surviving until auto-route. Better hope you aren't the attacker.
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You do realize the colossal fetish has like 4AP, and so tramples 2 squares per round. At that rate you have to be counting on surviving until auto-route. Better hope you aren't the attacker.
2 aoe attacks per round? I'll take that on turn 3 any day.

Auto-rout? Berserker pelt. Also a trinket. Stymphalian wings sure are nice later on. Particularly with dual evening stars, just in case someone gets clever.

What else?
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You do realize the colossal fetish has like 4AP, and so tramples 2 squares per round. At that rate you have to be counting on surviving until auto-route. Better hope you aren't the attacker.
2 aoe attacks per round? I'll take that on turn 3 any day.

Auto-rout? Berserker pelt. Also a trinket. Stymphalian wings sure are nice later on. Particularly with dual evening stars, just in case someone gets clever.

What else?
So you want to die on turn 100 instead of running away, check.

Stymphalian wings won't let you trample any more, though it will get you to the enemy faster.

I'll note the one time i've seen a colossal fetish it died in a few turns of melee to blessed woodsmen, so... I wasn't notably impressed by its survivability.

Pretty sure quickness and a heroes blade puts an end to your trampler decisively.
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Yes, but won't heroes blade and quickness kill a cyclops too? I don't see... I don't see how that makes him so weak.

Really, he died to blessed woodsmen? I wonder why, maybe he was out of his dominion?
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