Ossetian War Scenario - Info + Help Request

[wulfir]

Originally Posted by Snipey

For the map, I have chosen Komsomolskoye.

Interesting topic, Snipey - but Komsomolskoye is only size 100x100 - and parts are covered by heavy woods. For a battalion vs battalion battle, with APCs etc, it might be a little small..., and it's set in autumn/winter.

Give me a location, and I could maybe whip up a map more suitable...

[Snipey]

Originally Posted by Crazy Ivan

I saw the part about the Green ORBAT. Those AK-47s CAN be changed to 74s in the editor.

How would I do that?

Originally Posted by wulfir

Interesting topic, Snipey - but Komsomolskoye is only size 100x100 - and parts are covered by heavy woods. For a battalion vs battalion battle, with APCs etc, it might be a little small..., and it's set in autumn/winter.

Give me a location, and I could maybe whip up a map more suitable...

Sounds great! The total fighting force for the Russo-Ossetian ORBAT is under 14,000 (not counting supply units,) with roughly 10,000 Russians and 4,000 Ossetians. With supply units, that's around 16,000 men, represented by 1,600 on our map.

Here is a link to the Georgian ORBAT, (well part of it,) translated into into English. http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/nat...e-war-oob.html The ORBAT is a translation of a copy-paste of the actual ORBAT. Basically the mass media of both sides was lying about the war, and this pissed off, understanbly so, one of the actual guys working in Intel, and he posted actual ORBATs for both sides. No, Serbia and France did not sell weapons to Georgia, as was boldly alleged. Here's a part of the ORBAT in Russian that also includes the Russo-Ossetian side: http://zhurnal.lib.ru/m/marchenko_r_a/q1.shtml.

The 2nd, 3rd and 4th infantry brigades, as well as the 1st mech bat, 1st arty bat, the 11th and 53rd inf bats, joint arty bde, joint tank bat, engineering bat, lit inf bat, recon bat, comms bat, air defense bde, medical bat and supply units, as well as special forces and of course the national guard, (which fared poorly.) The Georgian Land Forces at the start totaled around 23,100 men, out of which 15,500 men fought in the Ossetian War. Additional the AD bde (1,200), national guard (about 4,200 fought), medical and supply units (about 1,000), as well as special forces (1,500) bringing the total to 22,500. (I didn't really pay attention to the number in medical and supply units, but the special forces number is accurate. I mean why study doctores, when you can study SF Although for some reason, Georgian SF were of the same quality as mercenary battalions, and had the same structure too, but of course mercs didn't fight, as mass media said so...)

So in this scenario, it would be roughly 2,200 Georgians vs. 1,600 Russo-Ossetian forces, most likely less as not all supply units went into combat. (200x160 map.) That's 3,800 men over 80 kilometers, or about 50 per kilometer, do you think that's too crowded? I might remove the air units and the supply units if that gets too crowded, and assign units triple supply or something like that.

About the map: it should reflect the Caucasus Region. That's the only reason I chose Komsomolskoye. In terms of the map, the ideal would be a shrunk version of these borders: Roki Tunnel in the North, Gori in the South, and about 3/5ths east of Tskhinvali, and 2/5ths west, with Tskhinvali being shrank just a tad. Wow, that's is confusing. Another option would be to do a 10km by 8km map, centered on the Google Earth coordinates of 42deg14'31.27 N and 43deg57'56.19 E, with 5km going north, 5 km going south, 4km going east and 4km going west.

[wulfir]

Originally Posted by Snipey

So in this scenario, it would be roughly 2,200 Georgians vs. 1,600 Russo-Ossetian forces, most likely less as not all supply units went into combat. (200x160 map.) That's 3,800 men over 80 kilometers, or about 50 per kilometer, do you think that's too crowded? I might remove the air units and the supply units if that gets too crowded, and assign units triple supply or something like that.

200x180 will easily be enough.

(Supply is usually not a problem given the usual number of turns in any games - except maybe for some types of artillery/mortar systems.)

One question though - this scenario will it be played on a north-south axis?

In some cases it is better to "tilt" the map, making because the game mechanics work somewhat better if the game is played "east-west", i.e. your left and right hand sides on the monitor...

[Mobhack]

Originally Posted by wulfir

200x180 will easily be enough.

(Supply is usually not a problem given the usual number of turns in any games - except maybe for some types of artillery/mortar systems.)

One question though - this scenario will it be played on a north-south axis?

In some cases it is better to "tilt" the map, making because the game mechanics work somewhat better if the game is played "east-west", i.e. your left and right hand sides on the monitor...

There is no North or any other compass direction on the map.

ALL SP games are to be played Right to Left, one player deployed on each side. You can put in a compass rose notation in text to point where you think "North" should be, but it is academic. (There is no sun blinding etc).

Off-map artillery comes from the right or the left side, and the ultimate retreat direction is either to the right or the left.

Please - no more of this nonsense about the top of the screen being the "North". It is simply "Top".

Think of an SP map as being a tabletop wargame board where instead of sitting opposite each other, the two players both sit on the same side (the bottom) and play left to right.

And that saves having to have a complete set of all the graphics redrawn in a 180 degree reorientation - a big point when the game was designed in the mid 90s, and disk space was expensive. If doing it these days, then the bottom of the map would be your side, same as a 1/300 tabletop game. Your opponent would have the bottom of the screen as "his" side too, but with the terrain reversed 180 degrees.

But "North" would still be a completely arbitrary notion.

The board is Top, Right(Player baseline), Bottom, and Left (Other player baseline).

Andy

[wulfir]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

Please - no more of this nonsense about the top of the screen being the "North". It is simply "Top".

"Top" can be "north", but it doesn't have to be.

"North" is pointless on a generated map, yes - but it makes my life easier knowing where north is when building a game-map based on a real location.

[Crazy Ivan]

47 to 74 button of magic

[wulfir]

If you can locate any AK74 armed section in any other OOB that might seem suitable - say Russian or Ukranian OOB maybe - you can buy these as captured. A bit quicker than manually editing the small arms of a full Bn.