MP: STACKERS, newbie game, (started)

[Nauquan]

I can understand why you feel that the game is over for you, because another player can sabotage or merely peek at your future turns.

I fear that the game will be over for everyone. Since the capability of hacking a turn exists, anyone can be hacked. And since it is known that it can be done, then more people will figure out how to do it. Not just for this game, but for any of the Dominions MP games.

Very sad.

[13lackGu4rd]

no, it's call stating obvious facts, and you can't deny that you had the most to gain from the situation... don't blame me from being hurt by the truth, it's not my fault, nor is it yours. it is your fault when you see it as finger pointing instead of what it actually is, simply stating the obvious(facts). same usually goes for "no offense but..." it's a matter of how the other person takes what you're saying and your tone(as much as you can reflect tone via writing).

moreover, since you seem to want to take this more personally than it should, and trying to discredit me and being so shocked that I mentioned such a simple fact, only raises the suspicions against you. it's called: acting suspiciously. now, this is not to say I accuse you of anything, again I'm simply stating obvious facts.

now, take this any way you wish, I've said what I had to say and tried to explain it the best I can. how you(or others for that matter) wish to take my words is totally out of my control...

[Amadamus]

Originally Posted by 13lackGu4rd

no, it's call stating obvious facts, and you can't deny that you had the most to gain from the situation... don't blame me from being hurt by the truth, it's not my fault, nor is it yours. it is your fault when you see it as finger pointing instead of what it actually is, simply stating the obvious(facts). same usually goes for "no offense but..." it's a matter of how the other person takes what you're saying and your tone(as much as you can reflect tone via writing).

moreover, since you seem to want to take this more personally than it should, and trying to discredit me and being so shocked that I mentioned such a simple fact, only raises the suspicions against you. it's called: acting suspiciously. now, this is not to say I accuse you of anything, again I'm simply stating obvious facts.

now, take this any way you wish, I've said what I had to say and tried to explain it the best I can. how you(or others for that matter) wish to take my words is totally out of my control...

Thinking on this over night and seeing responses such as this in the morning, i'm left feeling rather annoyed about how this has been handled.

Seeing as you are quick to point out facts (which are actually not facts but mere speculation), let me run through some other 'facts'...

1. The probability of Gandalf' server being hacked are minimal
2. The probability of someone guessing your PW are minimal

Seeing as you are a master of 'facts' here are some other possibilities.

a)You changed your turn and the actions of your units to enable you to come on the forum and cause a ruckass.

b)You have someone living at your house with whom you share your computer with and they logged on and mucked up your turn as a prank.

Frankly BG, you did point the finger and did name names - no matter how much you spin it. The unwashed crettin like manner in which you have conducted your self is appalling.

If you don't want to play on fine - but i dont vote for a roll back. The probabilities that the issue is on your end is far greater than someone in the game interfering with your turn.

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by Amadamus

Thinking on this over night and seeing responses such as this in the morning, i'm left feeling rather annoyed about how this has been handled.

Seeing as you are quick to point out facts (which are actually not facts but mere speculation), let me run through some other 'facts'...

1. The probability of Gandalf' server being hacked are minimal
2. The probability of someone guessing your PW are minimal

Seeing as you are a master of 'facts' here are some other possibilities.

a)You changed your turn and the actions of your units to enable you to come on the forum and cause a ruckass.

b)You have someone living at your house with whom you share your computer with and they logged on and mucked up your turn as a prank.

Frankly BG, you did point the finger and did name names - no matter how much you spin it. The unwashed crettin like manner in which you have conducted your self is appalling.

If you don't want to play on fine - but i dont vote for a roll back. The probabilities that the issue is on your end is far greater than someone in the game interfering with your turn.

Before all this hullabaloo happened, I'd been talking with blackguard about the game a bit, and we had a discussion or two about his strategy. Having had those conversations, I think there is about a 0% chance that he sabotaged his own turn. While it makes for amusing speculation, it makes no sense and certainly does not fit with my knowledge of his intentions for the game. And probability 2 is pretty minimal, you'd have to actually know how to play the game to sabotage the turn in the way it was done, and know the password he was using.

Anyway, accusing each other isn't getting this game anywhere, so you guys may as well just stop. Seriously there is no point to arguing about this, whatever bad blood there is between you. It looks like either:

1) You guys roll back the turn, gandalf hosts the game with everyone's old turn and hopefully blackguard still has his old one and can submit that to gandalf, OR everyone redoes the turn. From now on gandalf puts all his cheat protections into place for this game, and you guys accept that there may be some bugginess that could kill the game later.

or 2) Blackguard goes AI, you guys decide whether going underwater is kosher or not, and gandalf still should probably place all cheat protections in place for this game since there's an extremely high probability one of the players is a cheater.

Alternatively, end the game right now, knowing that one sad, sorry excuse for a gamer just ruined the game for everyone, because if blackguard goes AI there's a very high probability the course of the game will be forever changed. Not to say he'd win, but he was strong enough that win or lose, he was going to really hurt anyone he warred with, making them much easier for neighbors to kill if nothing else.

[Amadamus]

Originally Posted by rdonj

Before all this hullabaloo happened, I'd been talking with blackguard about the game a bit, and we had a discussion or two about his strategy. Having had those conversations, I think there is about a 0% chance that he sabotaged his own turn. While it makes for amusing speculation, it makes no sense and certainly does not fit with my knowledge of his intentions for the game. And probability 2 is pretty minimal, you'd have to actually know how to play the game to sabotage the turn in the way it was done, and know the password he was using.

Whilst this may be so, the other likelyhood that the server was hacked or someone guessed his pw are just as outrageous.

[Gandalf Parker]

I wont comment on THIS particular event.
But as an internet admin, and a netcop, I will point out that the weakest link in just about ANYTHING on the net is the strength of passwords.

[Greyjoy]

****ty situation, this.

I'd be willing to accept a rollback, though as you say, it doesn't really solve the central problem. (Only Blackguard can really theorize on his own personal password strength and whether that's liable to have been a problem.)

Edit: reread Gandalf's posts. Durr, it might actually solve the central problem, if he sets it so only Blackguard can play Blackguard's turns.

[Nauquan]

I will continue to play if there is a rollback. I reserve the right to whine more than Blackguard henceforth.

[Greyjoy]

(Been chatting with Blackguard over PMs, he suggested I drop this into the thread for a better view of my mentality on all this, so why not.)

I'm plenty of a diplomatic scumbag in the game, but I object to screwing with the actual engine.

Also, the rollback would have functionally zero impact on my turn; it's really quite secondary, but pleasant. Everything of note, other than blowing apart one of your enchantments to try and maintain economic superi... er, parity, basically consisted of me letting Bandar Log's main army wander wherever it felt like and overrunning everywhere else.

I'd rather go down fighting you or Ashdod legitimately than go down fighting Ashdod because you AIed out after a turn-security cluster****.

[Jorus]

I feel that the sabotage is very regrettable, but I have about the same level of sympathy for BG as he expressed when my turns staled.
For me personally, the game is now more interesting and balanced and I would prefer to play on, but can accept the rollback if that is the wish of the majority.
If Gandelf can insure that it doesn't happen again, why not? Depending on how you interpret the stats, Rlyeh is still the #1 or #2 nation out there.