MP: Nub Bash 2010 - Late Age - Completed- Victor: Atlantis

[Verjigorm]

Originally Posted by Septimius Severus

Well, I had been distracted with AI Mictlan and finishing up Utgard after they went AI. Holding huge numbers of provinces it not really my goal though and can be a headache. But at the same time, kinda seems ridiculous to attack one another till the AIs have been either contained or defeated. Though the victory condition of last man standing is obviously intended for human players, how can a nation be said to win a game if there's an AI nation like Jomon leading in most of the score graphs (globals not being considered) still remaining.

I thought the reverse was true--that it would be ridiculous to fight AIs when there were humans to fight. If I wanted to fight AI's I'd play SP.

Additionally, even accepting the premise that "AI Players should be conquered first", the fact that in order to fight against AI players, Ulm would have to go through me conflicts with the notion.

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by Verjigorm

I thought the reverse was true--that it would be ridiculous to fight AIs when there were humans to fight. If I wanted to fight AI's I'd play SP.

Additionally, even accepting the premise that "AI Players should be conquered first", the fact that in order to fight against AI players, Ulm would have to go through me conflicts with the notion.

True, this was not intended to be a vs. AI game and most victory conditions only apply to human players. But basically the point I was making is merely theoretical (if the game continued, the human player would probably be able eliminate all competition eventually, hopefully):

I mean if by attrition, concession, or elimination, a human player is the last player standing, but at the same time there is an AI nation still standing that is way ahead of that nation in the score graphs, has double the amount of provinces, an army 8 times larger, whatever, etc, can we really say that player has won in the sense of dominating the game and in eliminating all opponents at a given point in time?

Speaking of the AI, what are you and Jomon doing up there? It looks to me like Jomon is taking several of your forts. Are you trying to use Jomon to protect your eastern flank?

[Verjigorm]

Originally Posted by Septimius Severus

True, this was not intended to be a vs. AI game and most victory conditions only apply to human players. But basically the point I was making is merely theoretical (if the game continued, the human player would probably be able eliminate all competition eventually, hopefully):

I mean if by attrition, concession, or elimination, a human player is the last player standing, but at the same time there is an AI nation still standing that is way ahead of that nation in the score graphs, has double the amount of provinces, an army 8 times larger, whatever, etc, can we really say that player has won in the sense of dominating the game and in eliminating all opponents at a given point in time?

Speaking of the AI, what are you and Jomon doing up there? It looks to me like Jomon is taking several of your forts. Are you trying to use Jomon to protect your eastern flank?

Jomon is annoying. They haven't taken "several" of anything--only Abitopolis which they (or their predecessor, Marignon) have been attacking since turn 15. I have been ignoring them and playing defensively. It's annoying to try to attack large AI players because it requires both large armies and micromanagement thereof since when you attack a stronghold, you need to spread like well... I guess the best depiction would be "ringworm" despite that being disgusting--you have to put armies along the "ring" in order to keep them from recapturing and being annoying. Up until a few turns ago they hadn't sent anything that could get through my slightly augmented PD. They don't really have anything left though. Abitopolis isn't under my dominion (it's under yours at the moment), so I was reluctant to send vampires in, but knowing the AI, they don't sit in one castle, they keep advancing, so it was inevitable that they would move on Baron's Road which is under my dominion and as soon as they sieged the castle, I sent my vampires in to destroy them. Now their thug hero is dead and I can ponder what to do about Abitopolis again.


I didn't know that Ulm had Inquisitor priests. Those Black Priests always seem to be getting nicer. (I'm an Ulm fan btw... every age except middle, but I haven't really played extensively with LA).